GorillaTactical

Question for the CROs out there...I did some reading but didn't find a definitive answer to this. After the match is complete, when scores are posted and the arbitration period commences, can video evidence be utilized to determine that a time entered for a stage was incorrect? Or, if the shooter signs the score-card, is it a done deal? Thanks in advance.

Well, I learned the hard way this past weekend to pay more attention to what the RO calls out for time/what the actual timer says/what is on the score-pad. At the end of the day, I pushed accept on the pad, and it's a really really annoying learning experience that I won't soon forget... So long story short, I shot the Area 59 Championship (match was awesome, it was the first time the club hosted a LVL2 match), but I ended up getting hosed on stage that cost me the match win due to my time being entered a solid 40% slower than I actually shot the stage. I was able to review video when I got home to see that the entire length of the video of the stage (including make ready) was less than my recorded time. I pay attention to my hits and what is called out during the stage scoring, but I have neglected to be so specific with the timer...clearly that can't happen again.

Awesome to finally meet you, Scott. Well shot man!

Ok so if we think a bit more basic then... Red Dot sights allow us to do what? Utilize Target Focus opposed to Front Sight Focus Disregard Sight Alignment as part of the picture Are those two points really worth anything on a shotgun? Maybe not really? I would say that I personally feel faster with the dot...maybe it comes down to how much time you've spent on a given platform more than anything. I know a few shotgun shooters who say they shoot almost completely instinctively and aren't aiming all that much.

Sounds Like you've outlined two points... RDS on your setup doesn't allow you to achieve consistent cheek welds Height over Bore related issues when shooting at different distances. #1 sounds like it's simply a matter of your setup or stock choice or mounting solution...what setup are you running? I ask because this isn't an issue I've experienced running the Dissident Vepr for example. #2 with respect to this subject, probably a very valid point, but how do you handle on your other setups? I'd add just a few more questions - do you feel that shooting slugs with a RDS is more efficient for you? With respect to speed, because sight focus isn't really critical on a shotgun to be effective, some of the reasons you might run an RDS on a handgun or rifle may be less important.

Just my .02 on how I run my rig:

Seen the question asked many times...which mag extension should I run?! Well, I've had the most success with Taylor Freelance on Glock Mags...interested to see if anyone else supports this opinion or has another brand they prefer:

Might actually be working too well I saw that too

2017 MGM Steel Slayfest I purchased the KL-12 from a forum member here about 6 months ago. I'd wanted one for a while, just wasn't committed enough to buying one and waiting on it etc. So when I had the opportunity to get one that I could go drive and pickup next day, I jumped on it...then the gun sat on my racks for about 4-6 months. LAME. I shot about 10 rounds through it to get the optic zeroed, and finally took it out to a match this weekend. It was an all steel match with 20-30 steel targets on each stage, across 10 stages. It was basically a run what-you-brung style match with a division for iron and optic pistols, iron and optic shotgun, PCC, etc. WHAT A BLAST! Now, because I'd really not shot the gun before, I decided I'd use the match to experiment a little bit with what worked and what didn't with respect to ammo etc. so there were a few stages I had malfunctions that cost me some time, but overall, I shot a decent match with this being the first time I had the gun out there. What I learned: This gun chews through various types of ammo...just not the really crappy walmart value pack Winchester ammo. I need to get a few different chokes - I ran LM for the whole match, when I probably could have run C had I had the choke. Added to the list! I aimed a lot, but not in the right place - I wasn't accounting for offset. First time shooting a shotgun with a dot, and I realized about 3/4 of the way through the match that I have a 50 yard slug zero on the gun. After shooting so much PCC, I've gotten used to just putting the dot where I want the round to go at 10-15 yards. Well, I missed a few targets low or didn't get enough shot to knock them over because I was shooting below the targets. Reloading a magazine fed shotgun is so much more fun than a tube gun LOL. In all seriousness, I realized that I need to work on reloads a bit more. The gun isn't exactly light, so I have a tendency to pin it in my armpit when moving and reloading. I think that if I actually come up over the shoulder like I do when just moving explosively, the weight of the muzzle will actually help seat the magazine a bit better. I want to shoot this gun A LOT MORE. Not on video, as I mulligan-ed the stage, but I had a run on a stage where I forgot to chamber a round at make ready. This is total basics, but because I don't the basics down on what it takes to make ready, where to place my starter mag, etc, it actually came back to bite me. As I said, I thankfully had a mulligan purchased (the match offered a 1 stage mulligan for purchase with proceeds going to hurricane relief here in Houston). What I did well: I think I actually did halfway decent for the first time shooting a new platform. I worked the safety pretty darn well...ya ya ya, this is a really small thing, but it's an AK safety so I'll take my little wins where I can get them. I tried to move and shoot more than normal. Flowing movement where I'm actively moving and shooting is an area of weakness, so why not try and utilize the shotgun to get comfortable with it. Maybe I didn't look great doing it, but it was certainly an improvement over not doing it at all. Burst movement, although not used very much in this match, felt good when I needed it.

Well that's some undeserved flattery....I just do this thing as a hobby, but if anyone in TX wants to go out to the range with me to work on PCC, I'm down. I'd be interested in what people think they need to work on with PCC that is specific to that discipline and that they can't get from something like a class from Ben. Where in TX are you?

Great comment. I've found that as an "up and comer" learning the game, I gained MASSIVE amounts of knowledge and improvement by shooting with guys like @Fullauto_Shooter month after month. I learned about techniques and aspects of the game I didn't even know I should be paying attention to. But at some point of plateauing on that knowledge journey, where I began to actually contend for match wins/began to expect to win matches, the mental part of not letting another shooter's performance get in my head, has gotten quite difficult. It's an area of my game I need to improve on even to this day. The best match I've ever shot, was one where I was the highest classification of the group...but then again, my perception of "best match" may very well be because I wasn't watching another shooter of equal skill shoot the same stage better than me...

I did unofficially beat all the open guys on that one...the other stages had a lot of tight walls to navigate, but it was a blast - real good match. Northwest of Houston - Pacleb Ranch Range

2017 Oilfield Classic The Oilfield Classic had me back out on the PCC working for a division win. I shot a relatively solid match, not my best performance, but not my worst either. The day started off with a stage I shot a little too quick, and despite being 12% faster than the next best shooter, I dropped way too many points, putting me about even in HF. From there, I shot relatively controlled for the rest of the day, relying on my footwork, not trigger speed, to propel me forward. After the lunch break, we shot some stages that played to my strengths of burst movement out of tight leans, and I was able to capitalize. What I learned: I rely heavily on my burst and explosive movement, but I need to work on flowing movement/shooting on the move. Even when shooting the PCC, dialing back the overall speed just a tiny bit can be the difference in a huge number of points. I had two stages where I dropped a LOT of points because I was moving maybe 5% too fast. I noticed an issue of hesitation when I moved through a few stages where I would enter on the wrong target compared to my plan. You can see this in a few spots on the video where I line up on the wrong target, stop, and then move to the correct target. It may only appear to be like 0.5 seconds of time or so, but if I add up all those times throughout the match, I'm looking at like 5 seconds +/- of time that was purely wasted due to entering and setting up on the wrong target. Shooting your game is so so important. I always get caught up with how other shooters/my competitors are doing, and I end up focusing too much on it. Shooting a consistent game, regardless as to what's going on around me is something I'm trying to improve on. What I did well: There were 1-2 stages where I shot a TON of makeup shots, but for most of the match, I kept my makeup shot count on the low-end which is something I've been working on. Shots where I can fall out of position and then burst back towards the next position continue to be a strong area of my game. There were a lot of tight walls that made maneuvering the PCC in this match quite difficult, but I think I was able to handle them quite well. For the most part, I had the correct sequence on activators and wasn't left waiting for many targets.

Had a great time at this match - extremely well run, smooth, and awesome food post-match! I made some mistakes with respect to footwork on a few stages and a few issues with hesitation as I picked up the wrong target a few times, compared to my plan. None the less, a good match with the division win.

I've found that placing the holster in the exact same place as my production holster allows me to be consistent in find and presenting the firearm.

Open Division Local Match So I finally got back out to the range after taking some time off post-Hurricane here in Houston. I shot my new Atlas Chaos...first time I ever shot a true open gun. I also enjoyed eating some tremendous dirt on stage 1...I slipped on brass/rocks and ate it pretty hard...kept the gun in a safe direction, got up and finished the stage. Did bust my DAA racemaster holster unfortunately. I was able to salvage it for the rest of the match, but I bent some of the components. What I Learned: I need to spend some time dry firing if I'm seriously going to start playing in Open. I struggled to reliably find the dot, presenting a bit too high as I imagine is normal. Calling shots with the dot doesn't feel the same as calling shots with a dot on a rifle - I tended to second guess myself far too much and even made up a few A/C shots with A/C shots. The gun started to choke out by the end of the day. I had put approximately 400 rounds through it the day before and didn't do a clean before taking it to the match. After about 200 rounds (so 600 rounds total) I was getting failures to eject (I ended up zeroing the last stage due to the gun going single shot). I cleaned it up good when I got home so we'll see how it fares the next match I take it out to/at the range in the future. Could very well be my ammo/recoil spring combo or something similar, but video of the gun shows the brass ejecting shorter and shorter as the day went on. What I Did Well: I didn't get DQed when I fell. I felt as though I managed my shooting speed halfway decently for the first time shooting open. I was trying to focus on acceptable sight picture quite a bit, and just sending the round when the dot came back to the target - but not adjusting it specifically back to center. (No misses on the day).

Only if you want to, I didn't attend the event so I was just looking at what others were doing to gauge timings. Bottom line being, @B_RAD had the skill to shoot it a better way, and understanding that for next time is a great takeaway IMO.

Ya watched a bunch of vids on it. Looked like a fun one. Was best sequence - Steel, open, zebra, clam, steel?

Was this one of your first stages so feeling cautious, or just mis-timed the first array?

I think likely the issue would be, not bump-firing specifically, just that there was a ruling made allegedly regarding a technique that was not prohibited by the rules...I look forward to hearing the full story from the individual involved before making any sort of personal judgement on the fairness or reasonableness of the entire thing.

Your speed on the partials is always fun to watch...One of the things I continue to work on...

I hesitate to start a new thread on this subject, as just scanning back through the forum nets numerous other posts on this topic. But I believe it'd be worthwhile to allow for a central repository of info collected over the first full season of the PCC. A lot of the information we have circulated here on optic choice to this point, comes down to personal preference, but I think there are some broader discussions that will allow guys and gals kicking off their time with a PCC, to make a slightly more informed decision on optic selection. Without starting another, Favorite Optic For PCC thread and already making my opinions quite clear in the video, I'd be interested in hearing others feedback on the larger points: Your thoughts on RDS vs Variable Power (breakdown of times when you wished you had a magnified optic, if ever) Your Preferred Dot Size / do you run a smaller dot with the brightness dialed up or exclusively larger size dots? Your thoughts on Full Body RDS vs Micro/Mini/Reflex RDS For new shooters finding this post, if you're interested in personal optic recommendations, you can follow the video link to youtube and review them in the video description...

Just wanted to share my thoughts/opinions on what I've had success with respective to belt/magazines/pouches etc. for PCC. Hope you enjoy it/find it helpful. This is generally directed at USPSA, but I do touch on how I modify my loadout just slightly to play in outlaw matches.

I like winning a lot...I like winning when I beat the other shooter at their very best by being at my very best, better...it validates everything I'm doing in my training and practice, and shows that at the highest level, I'm able to execute under pressure. Beyond that, I feel like there's more benefit in me getting an extra walk through on my own plan, than by trying to throw other shooters off of theirs. I won the MS State PCC Championship this year purely because the other top shooter I was neck and neck with got DQed 3/4 of the way through the match...I was happy I won, but it felt hollow because I knew I hadn't shot a very good match by my own standards and likely wouldn't have won if that other competitor hadn't been DQed.

It's been pretty sporty here, that's for sure. My small update: