45 Raven

And the referenced vests are sold by IDPA on the IDPA website.

What gun? What is the intended purpose of the firearm to receive the red dot optic?

Very sorry to hear this. We are diminished.

It gets plenty hot here in AZ. During those months when it is hottest, everyone at our IDPA matches does exactly like described by RePete. As for vests being stiff and "standing on their own" . . . . that's an advantage when drawing from concealment. The Armadillo vests (and some others) are perfect for shooting IDPA, but that's about the only practical use for them. I've had my 5.11 vest for ten years, and the ONLY thing it has been used for is IDPA shooting on stages requiring a cover garment. Put the vest on when you are "on deck", shoot the stage, and take it off after you unload and show clear.

When it's your time to cross the river, he will be there waiting for you.

This.

Brian: Thanks for sharing. You and Bud have been blessed . . . because you had each other, and always will.

Last two posts: Really? That's what you guys think we need to discuss on BE Forums? The same plac that has for years been used as a reference point for shooters and people who want to learn about shooting, including youngsters? I am by no means a prude, but that crap is 8th grade stuff . . . . grow up!

This is a really interesting post. Can you guys that are advocating the use of a red dot optic without iron sights in competition share how you feel about a red dot optic on a carry, self defense pistol without BUIS? I ask because I shoot CZ's with Trijicon SRO optics and no rear iron sights in competition, but haven't convinced myself to make that change for my carry gun. Not worried about a red dot for carry . . . . just have reservations about using a red dot with no BUIS for that purpose. Thoughts?

Another vote for LOK Bogies. And you can get them in different thicknesses, depending on your need/preference.

I don't work for IDPA. I have never claimed that I was speaking for the organization. I have no "inside contacts" with anyone in the IDPA organization. I enjoy participating in IDPA sanctioned shooting matches. So I do. If I didn't enjoy it, I wouldn't participate. Because participation us not mandatory. You appear to be extremely displeased with IDPA rules. I've never spoken with anyone from IDPA HQ. Perhaps you could contact them directly? It might be time better spent than asking ME if I think it is "okay for Safety Officers to screw over people every chance they get". I really don't know what else to suggest to help you resolve your distaste and displeasure for IDPA, but wish you well.

????????? Sorry, but I can't find anywhere in this thread where I even inferred that.

I am not trying to argue the merits of IDPA vs. USPSA. USPSA is the more popular shooting sport. USPSA and IDPA rules for competition and equipment are different. One should be able to shoot either or both disciplines if they desire. All I have said from the beginning (and also said in another shooting forum) is this: If you don't like the rules, participation is not mandatory. I'm not speaking on behalf of IDPA when I say that. It's just a fact. I find it odd that this appears to be such a hot button when pistol competition is discussed. Don't like IDPA? Don't shoot it! It's counter-productive to constantly berate a shooting discipline, even if one does not agree with the subject shooting discipline's rules. Why berate shooting? What does it accomplish? Calling a sport "dumb" or "stupid" because you don't like the rules will do absolutely nothing to change it. If, by your definition, the sport is dying, the rules are stupid, and competition is not "up to the level" you seek or desire, why not just move on and let those who DO enjoy the sport enjoy it without being told how "stupid" their sport is? What does that accomplish except build a wall between groups of shooters who enjoy different disciplines? I can think of two or three other shooting sports that I have tried in years past that I did not enjoy. So guess what? I don't participate in those sports. I don't hang out on gun forums talking about how dumb their rules are, or how boring I find the sport, or how far beneath my expectations the level of competition is, or how goofy their equipment rules might appear. I just don't participate. And I wish them success. After all, they are shooters.

What's your point? So what if I made the same statement on a different forum, or if I got an answer similar to yours? ? I made a simple statement, which is a dead-nut fact . . If one doesn't care for the rules of a sport, they don't have to participate.

Nor does it change the fact that one does not have to participate in any sport they don't like.

And of course the great thing about rules that are declared "stupid" by some shooters: Participation in said sport is not mandatory.

This.

I am undoubtedly in the minority here, but I have found the inexpensive KYTEX (not a misspelling) single mag carriers work best for me in not only IDPA competition, but in daily carry as well. They are (as stated) inexpensive, of high quality, and normally available on a reasonable schedule. They hold the magazines firmly, stay on the belt without slipping or sliding around, and because they are single carriers, allow the wearer to place them on each side of belt loops, allowing for more flexibility in positioning., They allow easy access for rapid magazine deployment, and I have never had a magazine come out of the carrier during competition, or getting in and out of my truck, Jeep, or UTV. I have them for my 1911's, CZ Shadows, Glock G43, and CZ 75 Compact. Highly recommended.

Yes, I have had one in 9mm for several years. 3" barrel. The pistol is surprisingly accurate, a dream to carry, and easy to shoot. I mostly carry 1911's in caliber .45 ACP, so this one isn't getting much use.

I shoot that exact load in four different CZ pistols. Three Shadow 1's and one non-Shadow SP-01. COAL is 1.140" and average MV is 115 FPS. Zero signs of pressure, and no functionality issues. 11 lb. recoil springs used in all pistols.

Top quality product, and absolutely outstanding customer service. Highly recommended!!

For a pistol used at ranges that are typically 35 yards or less, I zero from a standing position, and almost always do so at 20 yards. Works for me.

Our IDPA club takes rules very seriously and offers SO training periodically. The opportunity for improvement is in stage design. It is not as easy as it looks, and it is always a challenge. But almost everyone in the club are open to learning opportunities, and there are a few shooters that have a very high working knowledge of the rules and are always available to assist others.

You have a 407K (unused and unmounted) that you are preparing to return to Midway USA, correct?

The K series are "mini" red dot optics, designed for mounting on pistols with narrower slides. Several gun forums are chock full of discussions about the 407K and 507K, and in most cases, the feedback is positive. I have had a 407K for my Sig P365XL on backorder for a while. No modifications required for that optic on that pistol.