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250 yds, is not a difficult shot, about 150 is the limit we do in matches.
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Shoot outlaw matches, and don't worry about all that BS
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2 hours ago, BillChunn said:
It certainly would be considerate to the shooting community to inform everyone as soon as possible. The there is Governor Whitmer. She is hell bent on destroying the Michigan economy while dressing up as some sort of empress. Since the Michigan Supreme Court slapped her down, ruling that her executive orders over-stepped her authority, she just has the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS) issue the orders she dictates. The previous one was issued December 8th and went into effect December 9th. Another one was just issued on December 18th and went into effect December 21st.
When the state locks you our of your clubs indoor pistol range on this short notice, it just plain sucks.
BC
WHY , are you complying with illegal edicts?
Will you do the same when she tells you that guns are bad and turn all of them in to the local PD ? - No need to answer, we already know. -
2 hours ago, euxx said:
Are you expecting scorekeeper to use RT app during the match? I'd really like to see how that work out along with scoring. Would be interesting to hear report from a real match use. Preferrably a day long one.
Also I miss how pics, videos, accounts and other stuff have any use during match...
I give up, it's so simple and yet you try and make it so hard.
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25 minutes ago, RaylanGivens said:
If you're dead set on these displayless timers... I suggest you buy one and let your Range Officers try it first...
I guess you missed the part that - I have one I'm testing .
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25 minutes ago, euxx said:
Oh, is that how it works? So, you don't need to know any shot registered then...
PS: sorry to disappoint you, but that RO buddy can simply cover timer's mike before shooter getting into his last few shots to reduce or can tap timer against some hard surface to increase run time. And since no one can verify time registered on the screen it is a bonanza for RO-cheaters you that concerned about...
PPS: all timers could miss shot or register extra. All depend on the RO position, timer sensitivity and range conditions. Not seeing times being registered as shooter goes is a huge gamble.
Not sure why you think it's all secret, the timer display counts up on the tablet, in LARGE NUMBERS , that anybody can see. That display is 1000% more visible than the one on the RO's timer that nobody can see.
Think for a second - how many people can see the timer display, in the RO's hand, while the stage is shot? VS How many are within 3-5' of the score keeper, where a LARGE display is counting up the time, showing splits, and shot count as it happens.
You actually think the RO is more likely to, "help" or "screw" somebody when - nobody can see the timer/display? or when at minimum, 1 other person (scorekeeper) or 2-5 squad mates can also see in real time, what the time is ?
I'm not worried about cheating, as much as missing a time, or incorrect time getting entered.
The more eyes watching a run/time, the less chance of either happening.
SO far in my limited testing, I think it's a good system, and possibly a great system. I understand they are working on a multi BT connection possibility, so anyone on the squad could see the timer readout on their phone.
The app also allows for pics, and I think video to be attached to the run, I haven't tested that option yet. You can also save all your times to your acct. for whatever reason you would want to access them later.
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2 minutes ago, euxx said:
It's been done for several decades... Though many ROs are neglecting this basic due diligence.
You have timer in front of you and can see on your peripheral vision that time is changing on the screen.
Same way you know when time is not supposed to change, by a quick glance at the timer when shooter finished his stage run.
You lost me. Since timer doesn't have screen, where shot string is visible? And who inputs raw time to PS?
The timer dos it, no missed times/ no incorrect times/ no transposed numbers / no "don't plus 2 me Bro" problems
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7 minutes ago, RaylanGivens said:
I assume you mean that the other display is a PractiScore tablet?
How does an RO determine whether he is capturing any shots without a display on the timer?
You should discuss the displayless timer option with your Range Officers before buying timers with out displays... Not worth it to save a few bucks...
I'd say it's the score keepers job to check, more so, than the guy watching the shooter. If it's a small match and one RO is doing both, it's sure easier to glance at a 1"+ size number than a 1/4".
When I'm running a shooter, I seldom look at the timer until after the final shot, I'm watching the shooter. The scorekeeper has more of that responsibility, and available time, to keep track of that side. -
2 hours ago, wchangose said:
I'm not really clear about "there's a display on every stage/squad." Do you mean the scorekeeper's pad or a persons individual phone? If it's the scorekeepers pad how do you set it up to be timer and run practiscore? At our club we try to run it as a turnkey operation in that the squad takes the bucket with the scoring pad and timer and off they go. Nobody has to use their own stuff.
I don't work for AMG but am a big fan. We have bought some for our range and they are really slick. Connect the bluetooth up to the pads running PractiScore and at the end of the string the scorekeeper just has to click on the stopwatch icon and the time is imported. It makes things run smoother during a match (is it life changing, no, but smoother is better). We run Steel Challenge matches and when you're behind a rimfire rife getting "hearing" all the shots is sometime difficult. It works on CED but my experience is you need to be really close for some rifles. With the AMG you can put the sensitivity toward high and it will pick up the shots.
I also like the fact that you can replace the batteries. Some people don't like that method, and quite honestly I really never had a problem with keeping the CED recharged, but being able to change out batteries works for me.
Range Tech works the same way, if you have a tablet and timer that's all you need.
1 hour ago, euxx said:I'm curious how you are expecting a stage RO to make sure he had caught the last shot with a Rangetech device?
Also what "more info visible" you are referring to? Visible where exactly?
BTW, rumor has it, the new revisions of AMG timers will support multiple BT consumers.
How do you know if you caught the last shot with any timer? Are you watching the timer or the shooter?
The entire shot string is visible without cycling back through review, it inputs the time of the run as well as raw time into PS -
1 hour ago, mpom said:
Not the OP, but he mentioned he has a Saiga, an AK patterned detachable magazine fed shotgun, so he is in Open class.
Post is 3 years old...
It's been a looooong search
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1 hour ago, wchangose said:
Tooth, will ROs be required to use their own phones? Does the bluetooth feed into the pad?
Can do either, but as with any BT can only connect to 1 device at a time
1 hour ago, NMBOpen said:Does RangeTech now include an onboard display. I got an early one without, which significantly reduces price (and usefulness).
No display, I don't see a need for it, there is already a "display" on every stage/squad, there is so much more info visible, AND it's not a tiny hard to see/read display.
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The AMG post below reminded me - I received one a few days ago, haven't used it in a match ( deer season no matches) what testing I have done it's pretty good, blue tooth connection to any device to transmit times directly into PS, can be set to announce shooters name, and final Raw time . Ability to see splits on screen without reviewing, BEEP can be activated from tablet if desired, no par time limit, you can attach photo's to a particular time(interesting) easily works with your phone if you use for personal training.
ours will be used for 3 gun and Run n Gun, it does have several USPSA specific "oddities" for lack of a better word - that we probably won't use.
Overall it looks like a very good option for a timer - and 1/2 price ($75) of the AGM I figured it was worth a shot.
My one complaint - they are working on- trying to get our Fire 7 tablets to down load apps from Amazon is HORRIBLE, getting the app off Google Play on my phone took a few seconds. Amazon tries everything they can to thwart any thing Android/ Google. -
I got a Range Tech this week to test, less than 1/2 the price, and so far so good. Unless something big crops up , I will be getting 12 more to replace my CED's
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Never broken one in either platform, my Lone Wolf (yeah it's that old) is still original, and the one I shoot the most.
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I have been using the Shield as well for several years, before that the JPoint (made by Shield) I have never had one fail, slide ride, shotgun, and AR15 - 45*
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24 minutes ago, Malarky112 said:
I have NO problem at all helping tear down stages at local matches...
But what about a level 3 match? That you paid $185 to enter? That had RO's embedded instead of working the whole weekend?
Embedded - you mean traveled with the squads ? ?
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2 hours ago, slowhands said:
At our L1 matches, the ROs are shooting too. Often I'm on a squad with only one other RO, and so I get a quick break when I'm on deck, load my mags as fast as I can after I shoot, and otherwise I'm running the timer or at least the tablet the rest of the time. It's a lot of work. Now it's supposed to be my job to police brass and do all the tear down too? No way. Help out or stay home.
L2+ matches are a different story, since set up and tear down can take full or multiple days, but the fees are higher and there are perks for the ROs and staff.
Hope you read the WSB better than you did here.
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I agree with you OP, at my range, you show up, shoot, leave, no stage building, no tear down.
Shot a Multi gun a while back, every stage we were expected to pickup shotgun hulls, and everything but brass - which we did. Our last stage, NONE of the previous 9 squads picked up anything.
Since we were the last squad they wanted us to clean the stage and tear down.
NOPE .
That was the RO's job to keep a clean stage, not up to the last squad to clean up every bodies mess for 2 days -
We never stopped having matches at Lead Farm, 2 matches a month , including 2 majors, also a motorcycle (woods) race with 296 riders.
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On 6/8/2020 at 8:57 PM, rowdyb said:
Oh and as someone who tried running their own private range it was an absolute nightmare.
Getting on the BOD is your only way fwd. Then getting allies. Realize this might take years, not months.
I've done it for 8 years now, what kind of problems did you have ?
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20 hours ago, Schutzenmeister said:
Asked and answered ... As to length: I don't recall there ever being a stated minimum or maximum length for bipods (or shooting sticks for that matter.)
Assuming this was a PCC match, or just a PCC in a regular HG match, the RO should say nothing. If it's a MG match and the shooter had previously declared something other than Open, it's "Welcome to Open." (Though the RO really should have caught it BEFORE the shooter started the CoF!)
Bumping to Open, never made much sense to me, many top shooters will still place nearly the same . A big time penalty makes much more sense, and is what we have done in outlaw for many years.
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The Boundaries were just a "suggestion" there was no benefit to be gained by going off the path, there were fault lines at the end for distance to steel .
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Here are a few I found of various stages
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1 minute ago, ChuckS said:
Do you have any video?
I didn't take any, let me do some checking, I know several that were posted on FB
Genesis Arms Shotguns
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There hasn't been feeding issues with magazine fed, rimmed shells (12 ga) for 7+ years.