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To make sure you have enough overtravel in the system. the trigger must have enough over travel to insure the striker can always be released cleanly. This is often overlooked or adjusted too closely in the hope of reducing trigger movement. I haven't watched the video but the fact that you bring that up just increases my confidence that Daniel knows how the mechanism works. Guys like him, Rich, Springer and Springfield's Custom shop know to look out for these issues.
Rob
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Chuck, look what you started!
Rob
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The place where we have *not* made much progress is in the strategy of the org. It still seems to me like we are "drifting" - we have no clear statement about what direction we want to head, and no clear identification of the problems that keep us from getting there.
I would agree with this but I think that the direction MUST come from the membership. I don't believe that this forum presents a representative sample either. It definitely represents a specific demographic. Isn't it time to start polling the members directly? We talk a lot about how this is a member run organisation and maybe it is time to put our money where our mouth is on that issue. The way we accomplish asking the members for input to proposed rules today is at best laughable.
Take the divisions, for example. What we *have* done over the last 5 or 6 years is add divisions in sort of a knee-jerk, reactive fashion.Yup, and as you stated Single Stack is a great example of the knee jerk reaction. Most of the locals I shoot with don't see a need for it and wonder if there is a hidden agenda being pushed.
One of the "problems" we have, IMHO, is growth.-- maybe we're not marketing enough, or in the right ways? I have this feeling that there are huge untapped pools of potential USPSA competitors out there, who either don't know about us, or know about us and have decided that, based on what they've heard, we're "just not for them". In fact, arguably, there are 35,000 people out there who *have* heard about us and chose to no longer be members... maybe we should be marketing to *them*, finding out why they left and giving them reasons to come back?!?!
Marketing of our game is almost non existent in my area. It took me years to find out that USPSA existed and how to get involved. IDPA flyers were handed to me every time I purchased a gun. Because it is defensively oriented, I felt that IDPA wasn't for me but I damn sure knew about it every time I made a purchase. This simple grass roots marketing strategy is key. Why don't we do it?
As far as production division is concerned, It should be Stock with VERY few mods allowed if any. PERIOD. Shoot as they come right out of the box. Is that being considered?
Single stack a knee jerk reaction? It is the single most widely manufactured model in the United States! There are more of them than anything else. Everybody makes them, even rifle manufacturers with no previous pistol interests. Just because me and my local shooting buddies do not like a type of gun doesn't mean we do not see a need for them to have a category! Good Lord, that is the silliest thing I have read in any of these threads!
Some of the other things sound right to me, and you of course are entitled to your opinions, but why does my XDm having trigger work done to it bother you? I mean really, not trying to be an ass, I really don't understand the motivation to limit, within reason the ongoing improvement of a product within the rules and guidelines. I am not saying we ought to let everything go the way of open, heaven knows that has hurt us enough already, but if we are not intent in letting all types be modified to a level playing field, then we will create a spec class with everyone shooting the same thing. I'm sure that is not what you want, I know I don't.
BTW, for those reading who do not know, IDPA was formed because USPSA did not want it. It would have been called concealed or carry or something like that. We were approached with an intelligent marketing plan from interested parties and we told them m to take a hike. Not in as nice a way as that but I do not want to get in trouble here. I think all involved from that time have thankfully left our sport. Unfortunately we do not have had the real thing, which we morphed into SS and production to combat IDPA.
Rob
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I support the minimum trigger weight. I have a pair of bone stock Glock 34's that I use in production. I like the fact that I can start competing in local matches without changing anything in the pistol.
You can start competing regardless of the rules. The gun is legal now right? Does this mean you are not currently a competitor in this class and if not in what category do you compete?
Rob
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I also vaguely remember something in early comments that John Amidon entered the discussion with a complaint/comment that Springfield was buying a trigger from an outside vendor and installing them as OEM and they had a lighter trigger pull.
Actually, replacing the plastic trigger does zero to make the trigger lighter, so if that was the case it was with no understanding of how the system works. Springfield has OEM'd a lot of parts from vendors for MANY of years.
I'm not even sure that I understand what the crux of the original problem was -- if the concern was "how would chronodude tell the difference between a Powder Valley trigger bar sourced through SA, and a Powder Valley trigger bar sourced direct from Powder Valley," who cares? Is there really a difference? If the part is offered as a factory option by SA, it is legal. If a competitor happens to pick up the identical part direct from SA's supplier, are we going to be able to tell the difference, and do we care?
I'm not certain I could tell the difference, and I don't care....
We only care because D4 21.6 says that aftermarket triggers (mag releases, slide stops, and thumb safeties) are illegal. It would have been a simple solution to just drop the aftermarket restriction. If dropping that restriction will open a can of worms, the alternative is to make DNROI's recent opinion into a ruling: if an aftermarket part satisfies OEM specs, it is considered OEM.
Can you use in production an aftermarket replacement slide?
Rob
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Nik wrote:
....mid 50s to mid 80s at the other....DAYUUMMNNN! That is a lot of shooters for a local club match.
Me? At some point I would like to get a Browning Hi Power or clone, probably in .40 S & W, and shoot it, most likely in the L-10 division.
I think they are HAWT!:
of course, I will have to do something about that hammer spur and/or the beavertail. Ouch, that'll leave a mark!
Look at www.heirloomprecision.com for some cool Hi-power work.
Rob
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Seriously though, Why is this being done. When the BOD said we couldn't shoot major 9mm because the pressures were unsafe, when we did not set for the sake of competitive equality, limits to magazine capacity (regardless of what that capacity might be) when we keep L10 when there is no reason for it, etc. etc. we see a pattern of not being in touch with the needs of the sport. Rob
Rob,
With respect. L-10 is highly popular and supported in several areas of the country. Saying there is no reason for it is not accurate.
I base this on the siginificant membership feedback I received as AD8 (2007?) when it was speculated that the current (outgoing) President intended to do away with L-10. Perhaps some things have changed since then, but I doubt you would see a passive membership if it were to be removed now. There are a lot of guns out there that can play in L-10 which cannot play in SS.
Yes I understand, but there are no guns that are legal for L10 that are not Legal for limited. And, I may be overlooking someone but, above club level I have seen but 1 shooter in the last few years with a gun in L10 that wouldn't be competitive in Limited. Matter of fact I know of only one shooter who currently is using other than a high capacity limited gun loaded down to 10 rounds. The reason for L10 no longer exist with the addition of SS. I'm Not saying there are no shooters, just that the majority would shoot in limited, with no equipment disadvantage if L10 was not a class. The only reason left is for the states that ban over 10 rounds magazine capacity. The reason it was started in the first place was not to install another class, but to permit the low cappers a place to shoot competitively.
This is not the point here anyway, the whole bees nest is the result of the BOD's 3lb. production ruling. I know some may say they are "looking out for us" or simplifying the rules for easier administration purposes, both worthy causes. The problem is there was not a problem to the members of USPSA in general. SOMEONE has a problem. Let's speak up and see what that is!
I don't drink, but I do not want the government telling me I can't. That didn't work either. I want to buy a class 3 firearm but the UNITED STATES of AMERICA's BOD says I am not safe to own one. Now I'm being told by an oppressive organizing body that what we have being doing successfully for many years is no longer acceptable. Why did you guys not let the membership that put you in power decide what they want? You obviously do not know what I want, and if many more like me do not either, you need to rethink this thing. The goods news is you have time to figure out a more forthright and transparent way of doing what you think needs to be done. The problem is we haven't been told what that was, only after the fact we are being told the ruling. Bad politics here fellers!!!
BTW, in most cases shooters in our sport do not want to shoot unmodified guns. As a whole we love to tinker and improve. Yes there should be limits set in every class to keep competition fair. This is not what is being done here.
Rob
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Wait a minute, does this mean we can spend as much time and money and change anything we want as long as the trigger weighs three pounds? It doesn't have to even be the original configuration? I'm lost again, Damn I wish I was smarter! I've been working under the mistaken thought that this was supposed to be a price limited, readily available equipment category. Now you won't have to mess around changing all those easy to replace, inexpensive springs and parts that came in your inexpensive gun and replace them with some nice shiny EXPENSIVE parts that I do not even have to make more than 1 of.
Did I miss something?
Rob
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And now USPSA will start running into the same problems the NRA did when not taking the experience USPSA already had with Production class. They have had to amend their rules to create equality among platforms and let a shooter be competitive with any gun type or manufacture. What has been the most varied class of firearms category is being manipulated. Why I ask, Why? (pretty dramatic there me thinks!)
Seriously though, Why is this being done. When the BOD said we couldn't shoot major 9mm because the pressures were unsafe, when we did not set for the sake of competitive equality, limits to magazine capacity (regardless of what that capacity might be) when we keep L10 when there is no reason for it, etc. etc. we see a pattern of not being in touch with the needs of the sport.
We now shoot major 9, we have magazine lengths, not capacities in two classes ( the only two classes that regularly get competitors in open or disqualified due to capacity). Does everyone really need to buy a gauge? Any other form of competition I have been involved in tells you how big or how much you can have. It works well and is easily controlled. We still have L10, a category that was created for 2 reasons. To allow the low capacity limited guns we all had (read Single Stack) to be competitive and prepare us to live with a federal mag capacity ban. We ignored the law when in place, but still have the class.
Maybe it's just me but I have been in this sport longer than most and have lived with lots of rules and changes I don't see the point of. When I was a kid we had a 55 MPH speed limit to conserve fuel. That went away. Maybe we can kill these restrictions on production before they take place. If you want to make folks happy, allow the same round capacity that IPSC uses for production. Why doesn't that ever come up? I couldn't make a sound argument about that, except that some states only allow 10 rounds. Funny thing though, it is the restrictions on trigger pulls and weights that cause all the problems at the World level. USPSA has been without this, but I bet if this rule does go into effect, we are going to have a lot of unhappy production shooters getting bumped to a different class.
It's simple, we do not need this restriction.
Rob
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Interesting? I propose we also have a fixed weight limit for all guns (total Mass) and limit the trigger pull weight to ANY SHOT fired, not just the first. It is specifically this rule in the World Match that makes the heavy, lighter kicking D/A guns so favored. Those guns have sub 2 lb triggers after the first shot, and are so heavy that they kick half as much as the lighter guns in the class. This makes a big difference. If this is based on making the guns more street worthy, tell me who is looking for a 44 ounce 9mm for defensive or duty use?
The concept that this is easy to test is also fallacy. This will be a big pain in the ass for the match officials to test and, mark my words, is going to cause major headaches and controversy. I can weigh the trigger on my XDm and make it weigh anywhere you want from 2.75 to 4 lbs. I do not think this is coming from the shooters. Or maybe it is, but lets have you step forward and explain what the problem is.
This looks to be just another move by the USPSA BOD to appease a discontent faction. Is there a problem and if so what is it? Lets have a little full disclosure. Maybe I wouldn't get so worked up if I knew why this was happening. I sure do not think our BOD is infallible or benevolent but why do they do things the way they do? I think this has not been thought out. Who was consulted on this? Just the BOD?
If rules like this actually come to pass, it may vary well make production a spec class like all the others. Production is the only one that allows nearly all the manufacturers to compete heads up. With the level of modification now permitted you can build a competitive gun with nearly every platform. They each have their strengths and weaknesses. This is only true in production.
Now I am of course biased. It is easy for me to believe that this is the work of some one who is unhappy that some triggers can be improved to a degree that I can only assume they feel is unfair. Maybe it is the XD/XDm? I hope I'm wrong, but I sat around and didn't voice my opinion when rules in the past were changed by what appeared to me at the time to be very biased individuals. I have to say something this time.
Production has the capacity to be the most important class in our sport. Every manufacturer has an interest in it. But we could have more. If we start limiting the process to allow all guns in the category to be made competitive, we may end up with a problem like that which exists in Limited and Open. Or worse we encourage cheating. That is not now the case as the rules are pretty good.
I guess I'm just this fired up because I see us taking steps backwards again. My Production trigger can be made 4 ounces heavier and then no matter how you weigh it it will make 3 lb. But why should it. Can I then make the gun weigh a pound more to make it kick less like others being used in competition? Nobody is complaining about that..... It isn't for me that I care, it is just that I want to know who is behind this and why was it done all sneaky like.
Rob
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I do not remember saying we use the PRP striker safety lever at the Custom Shop? We might but I have not seen that from any of mine done there. I have installed them in my own guns myself, and they work as advertised. Springfield Custom traditionally does the trigger work with the stock lever that they modify. The Custom Shop does use the PRP trigger with external over-travel stop. It is in all my recent XDm's. Maybe that is what I was talking about?
As far as CC, PRP, Springer and Springfield using the same parts, that is definitely not right. There are different methods of changing the internal geometry to shorten pre-travel, over-travel and reset. they all have there own preferred way with pretty much similar results. Different roads to the same destination.
Rob
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Glad you are liking the 5.25. You are gonna love the 9mm, it is at this time my favorite of the XD/XDm's. Lots on these forums about them and plenty of experienced shooters with thousands through them, so you will be getting lots of advice. Keep us posted on your experiences.
Rob
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For a 10 rounder I will only use the Metalform. In the last 10-15 years I have been shooting 1911 9mm's They are the only ones that work. I have tried most everything, and they all have their quirks, but with the exception of difficulty in unloading manually, the 10 rnd Metalform feeds the best, drops out the best and are he only ones I trust. Now having said that, I'm sure some shooters have had the same experience with others but I have had nothing but trouble with all the rest. Many won't drop after partial depletion, some just do not feed at all and some do both.
Any 9mm 1911 needs to be perfect as he gun and cartridge are not initially compatible. The taper of the 9 round is hard to stack correctly in a single stack magazine. The rim is larger than the bulk of the case due to that taper and the rim does not easily release from the extractor groove of the round beneath it in the magazine. This causes lots of trouble that .40, .45, 10mm and .38 super do not have. Good mags solve most of these problems but for a 10 rounder, the Metalform solves almost all of them.
Be aware that they most probably will need to be tuned a bit. lots of variation in guns and slide stops out there. Dawson sells them this way I believe. That's where mine came from.
Rob
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If when the slide is all the way to the rear the slide stop can be engaged you have a problem. Not only will you experience the problem stated but the slide stop can inadvertently be engaged during the normal cycling of the gun.
Some slides are manufactured in such a way that this is by design. Some times it is done by whoever put the thing together and sometimes by installing a buffer. The problem is that the slide-stop can be engaged when it should not be and therefore does not disengage when it should. A common practice when building the HiCapacity 1911's is to modify the slide-stop so that it will not engage unless done so manually. This can be done by modifying the slide-stop itself or the magazine. Then it wouldn't matter whether the previous problem was present as the gun would never stay open on its own.
The removal of the slide stop may fix the problem as it will allow the slide to move far enough that the slide-stop cannot be engaged when at full travel. Buffers by themselves are not a bad thing, but do become another part to keep track of, and must be monitored for wear and tear. Many people install them not knowing the potential problems they can cause, so if in doubt, leave it out!
Rob
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This IS a malfunction. You just have to figure out whether it is hardware or software. The mechanism when functioning properly doesn't do this on it's own so you must first determine whether it is a mechanical issue with the gun. Most of the time if a trigger job has been done or other modifications, it is an issue with the gun. So find a good gunsmith familiar with the mechanism and have it looked at. Lots of things factor in here so find someone experienced. Conditions that can cause the operator to fire an inadvertent shot are also a factor. There is so much that could be involved here that it would be unwise to speculate on the problem too far. I'm worried about the safety aspect here and suggest you get someone else involved. If the gun has been modified in any way then I'd have that looked at first.
Rob
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I have yet to see a striker spring light enough to not set off Federal primers, so you are on top of that. Most of the time the Custom Shop tries to do the trigger job with the factory spring so the gun will light anything. When done right there is only a few ounces difference in pull weight between the lightest and heaviest striker spring. But when the stock striker and 14 lb recoil springs get used together is when you run into reliability problems. Yea, they are very busy, but the wait is worth it.
Rob
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The factor that is not being addressed here is the XD/XDm platforms striker is in the slide and the sear is in the frame. When the gun closes the striker is held by the sear before the slide closes fully and therefore the recoil spring must overcome not only the resistance of pulling the round from the magazine and feeding it, but the striker spring tension also. The 1911 does not do this so you can't go off experience with them. The differential between the striker and recoil springs are what matter here. As a rough test I do this; with a round chambered and with a full magazine inserted, retract the slide slowly about a 1/4 inch and then release it. If the slide does not close fully, your gun may not stay closed during reloads or even when shooting. Instal and aftermarket or refit the barrel tightly and/or add questionable ammo to the equation and you could have real problems.
I use in my 5.25 9mm with minor caliber ammo, a 14 lb. recoil spring but am also using a lighter striker spring I get from Springer precision. I know CC and PRP also have them and are used in most ultra super trigger jobs. Now you probably know this but per the manufacturers, these reduced power striker springs are only reliable with select primers. I use WW or Federal only.
If you mix and match recoil and striker springs in striker fired guns and you don't know what your doing you will have problems. Like putting a 15 lb mainspring in a 1911 with a titanium firing pin, you are going to have some issues. If in doubt, talk to whoever worked on your gun and if they don't understand this, find someone else who does. All this is well known in the Glock and S&W M&P world so it's nothing new.
If in doubt and especially if you are not using the lightest possible load, stick with heavier recoil springs. The stock weight works with most any factory level load I have tried.
Rob
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I'm sure you will be a lover of the 1911 9mm, just like everyone else who has fired one. It is an excellent choice for the categories it is legal in.
I think all this can have gotten a little confusing, possibly by me and my enthusiasm for the 1911 in 9mm so just to make sure you understand, the XDm is legal in production, no 1911 is. That seems to be getting lost in all this. If you are not competing it will of course make now difference, just wanted all that to be clear.
If it is just higher performance you are after you really ought to shoot someones open gun, that will make anything else seem slow! Then of course you would be competing in open class, not single stack, limited, limited 10 and production. Heck, a rifle will be better than any pistol! Gotta compare Apples to Apples!
Rob
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I'd agree that a 1911 that is heavier, has a lighter trigger pull and usually fits tighter, should be shot better than an XDm. I usually can, but the thing we tend to overlook here is that the XDm in any of it's versions started out as a pistol designed for reliability, light weight and ruggedness. It is a production class firearm. The 1911 is not even allowed in the same category as it is deemed to be an advantage over pistols like the XDm. That the performance of the 5.25 is so high is testament to the basic design, and the fact that it has been highly developed. That was never a factor in it's design. The original specs were so loose that it was never even a thought that it might evolve into such an exceptional performer. It was just supposed to work, be easy to use and last forever, under any abuse. BTW, the 1911 started out just the same. When I was starting to shoot practical pistol my dad couldn't believe I wanted a 1911. He thought they were inaccurate and unreliable and couldn't be made to shoot like his S&W N frame revolvers he loved so much. The XDm is an infant in comparison. I'm sure the XDm will get better and better but the 1911 is still the benchmark.
Rob
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I forgot to add;
Kreativecid, what is the deal with the undercut trigger guard? You sound like my buddies Chad and Joe who like any pistol as long as it has a squared trigger guard! Not trying to be a butt head or get personal, but am curious as to it's importance to you?
Rob
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If I may add my thoughts, the two guns while legal for both classes are two different animals. I may have or have used more 9mm 1911's than anyone now living on this planet. Really, I currently have about 20 of them. maybe more. Never can have too many guns. The pistol itself is very easy to build but suffers from a couple inherent problems. The slide is really too heavy to be a 9 minor but will work with the right spring weights and the best magazines. Mag wise I have tried about everything and will only use two types: The 9 rounder with the groove down the front or the 10 rounder with the feed ramp in the top of the front of the mag. Both are manufactured by Metalform and both may require some tweaking to work perfectly. Best bet is to buy from Dawson and make sure they go over them, "tune" if you like, to insure they are perfect. When the mags are perfect they should feed any bullet shape, (at least everything I have tried). Without these mags I would count on problems. The 1911 9mm is the most finicky of the calibers in that platform, but can be made to work well.
As far as shoot-ability is concerned, those writing in this thread are right. Partially due to it's weight, it is the lightest kicking, most accurate, easy to shoot of all 9mm pistols, next to my 30 year old Clark modified Ruger MkII .22. And the difference is minimal. It should be cheating to use one of these. I did in the SS class at the recent Area 2 and when you can get away with minor, it is exceedingly easy to perform well with one of these. That is why Bianchi Metallic and PPC shooting is dominated by these guns.
They are also much more expensive and less versatile a competitors gun than an XDm 5.25. The 1911 will not be in USPSA Production class. Or NRA or Steel Challenge etc. The XDm will be competitive in more categories. It could be in the right circumstances a competitive limited gun. It is also much more reliable and easy to make/keep working. You can get great performance from either, and as much as I love the 1911 in 9mm, I shot the best iron sight score of my career at the Steel Challenge this year with a 5.25. So who knows?
It is really up to you. I doubt the gun will be a make or break deal regarding your scores. Some of this is emotional and not quantifiable on paper. There is the feel of the 1911 that some of us are so used to that anything else is found lacking. Most newer shooters, (those that have come up during the polymer era) do not have the hang up on the 1911 feel and ergonomics that many of us older "experienced" shooters have. That being said, I am old school and prefer the weight of the all steel gun, but this may have little effect on my scores!
Pick the one you like the looks of or the feel or whatever, either way you will have a winner.
Rob
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I hate undercut trigger guards! I wish nothing had them. It would not have been a TGO if they had done that to it. I have a Custom Shop 9mm Single stack that has this mod and I wish I could have it undone!
however,regarding the PRP XDm trigger return spring, the lightest spring IS included in the PRP trigger kit. You get both, I just received one the other day and it has two trigger return springs in the nice little plastic package. I know they were not there before because the part has only existed in quantity for a short time. I have had them for a while because PRP sent them to me to test. I received a prototype days before the Production Nationals. Soooo... I'm sure any one needing one can get in touch with PRP and as usual they will take care of you like they do all there customers. Not saying he's gonna give the spring to you, any more than apple didn't send me Iphone 4s's t after I bought a 4 for each my wife and son a couple months ago.
As to taking 25% percent off the trigger weight, that is unlikely. When installed the part did not lower the trigger weight more than 3-4 ounces under the PRP existing lighter spring. It does however return the trigger much more solidly than the other when it gets tweaked to get the same pressure. So you get it lighter and it returns more deliberately, and it's just a few bucks plus shipping? Bargain, Bargain Bargain!!
BTW, the NRA mandates a 3.5 lb. minimum fir trigger weight for action pistol so I do not use the lightest for the Bianchi Cup. lots of people want it lighter than stock but not as light as possible, just like 1911's.
Rob
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No, just saying that is a property of this setup. If you like that, then that's cool, and you then will like the light weight the 5.25 offers compared to my normal limited major gun. To each his own. Now for the Steel challenge which is all fast target acquisitions, the fact that I shot the best iron sight score I can remember with the 5.25 from an IDPA concealment legal holster says there really is something to quick target acquisition. but, Im not shooting the harder recoiling major caliber. Maybe it is time for a little further investigation of this matter!
Rich RIID CCC Canyon Armament Dettelhouser, now that's a name! Way longer than Scott Springer or Daniel Batchelor!!! I really do not want to modify this gun so that it would be illegal for production as I am not yet finished testing that possibility.
ROB
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Rich, how come you always refer to yourself in the third person? Isn't this what the queen does? Doesn't everyone know RIIID, canyon Creek and CCC are all you:) Just asking!
Ok, have now fired my XDm 5.25 .40 a bunch and want to report on it's performance. The gun has a trigger job from the Custom Shop, an extended mag release from PRP and the frame has been textured by Marty at accuracy speaks. This is the same as my 5.25 9mm. Reliability is 100%, so not much to say there. I have two setups. One for Major and another for minor.
For minor I loaded 155 grain HP bullets and they shoot very well. The gun though, set up for minor with the Springer 1.9 oz. guide rod weight and the additional weight of the .40 slide was much too slow and soft, which is odd since this is what I'm always trying to get! To help with this for the lighter minor loads I dropped down to the same 14 lb recoil spring that I use in my 9mm. This was not done for function, I just prefer the way it feels. The gun is very soft in recoil and not being too sensitive to muzzle flip, I have a hard time telling much if any difference between the 9 and .40. Anything I can do with one I can do with the other.
To set it up for limited major caliber, I installed the heavy large size spring guide from Canyon Creek. This added much needed weight to the frame and softened the recoil dramatically. With loads that make 170 power factor, I use the factory recoil spring, and leave it otherwise the same as my setup for minor production. I tried a mag-well but really didn't like the way my hand hits it at the bottom of the grip, and since I didn't want to bevel the opening in the frame to match up to the mag-well, I really couldn't load as fast with as without. I'm sure when properly installed it would be better, but the one I tried was made of aluminum and didn't add much weight, so I'm going to wait and see what else comes along. Those that like a light gun for major are going to love this setup. It is very snappy when loaded to major and just jumps from target to target. Much faster than my mega heavy long slide hi cap 1911's. But you pay for that quickness in recoil. I did shoot it in a class I held last week and am impressed with how well it performed. When I get some poundage on it I'll do a side by side comparison and report the results here.
So far I think this. For someone already shooting an XDm this is an easy decision: This is the best performing XDm .40 we have produced fro the competitive shooter. If you are wanting the versatility to shoot major caliber and still load light for minor, well, this is the ultimate of the XDm line. This gun will have you competitive in production, L10 and limited.
Rob
Loads for XDM Competition 5.5
in Springfield (XD)
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Much good info here, you should post this for all new or even experienced loaders to read. Most of the time we just experiment enough to get the gun to go bang, and that is why gun manufacturers have so many problems with reloads and warranty.
Sorry you guys do not get the 5.25!
Rob