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new to reloading, not quite sure what to do here. I thought I didnt, but a call to hornady now left me confused.
thanks
A Powder Through Expander (PTE) will do it, but like hdiker1 said, you probably already have a "belling" die. If you ignore your resizing die and you bullet seating die and still have a third die, that's it.
To be sure, run a case up into it a good ways and see if it bells / flares the mouth of the case. This is done to make seating the bullet easier.
Hack
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Hack, have you received your subplate yet? The reason I ask is you stated you were #65 on the list and I believe I ordered mine before you and I didn't get mine yet.
No, I'm still waiting, too.
hack
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I just received notice and confirmation that my 45 plate is in. When I called Midway they said they had a total of 15 currently in stock, beyond the back orders. Get them quick they will not last long
http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/BrowseProd...9786***16205***
Seems like they're gone again, but Midsouth has some (Low stock, though)
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item...sku=00005392645
hack
Mine came in yesterday.
Hack
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check out midsouth....they were listed as in stock as of 8:20 EST.
nick.out.
Thanx, I just went there and ordered one. I've been in the market for a while.
Says "Low Supply", so if you want one, better hurry.
Ordered mine at 11:10 PM, Apr 23rd
Hack
Mine came in yesterday.
Hack
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I just received notice and confirmation that my 45 plate is in. When I called Midway they said they had a total of 15 currently in stock, beyond the back orders. Get them quick they will not last long
http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/BrowseProd...9786***16205***
Seems like they're gone again, but Midsouth has some (Low stock, though)
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item...sku=00005392645
hack
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check out midsouth....they were listed as in stock as of 8:20 EST.
nick.out.
Thanx, I just went there and ordered one. I've been in the market for a while.
Says "Low Supply", so if you want one, better hurry.
Ordered mine at 11:10 PM, Apr 23rd
Hack
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I called them back a moment ago (Fri, Apr 17) and talked to "Bob". I discovered that I am #65 on the list, with 110 kits shipping out next week.
Maybe it won't be long now.
I reminded Bob my LnL's S/N is 13XXX. Bob said I got the right kit, because the price I am being charged is $29.99 (the other is $59.99). I guess LnLs under 7000 have to get the more expensive kit.
Hack
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25 bucks seems a bit steep for a short tube with a cone shaped end.
Hack
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How is s/n 7000 significant? The reason I ask is I ordered the ezject kit for mine which is above s/n 10000.
Not sure, but I guess the old "wire eject" LnL must be under S/N 7000.
Hack
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Someone on another Forum told me they were sending out 150 kits next week. I hope I'm in that number.
Hack
PS - As I was told, I now know that they do work on the wire subplate
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Just picked up the plates and sub plate assembly yesterday. Unfortunately I will not get to test anything for some time now as I don't need to change calibers. Will take in the #45 plate when I'm all loaded up.
Please let us know how it does.
Hack
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I’m still in line to get Hornady’s EZeject kit.
The 8 shell plates that I sent to Hornady on 3/20/09 were returned to me, retrofitted for the EZeject, yesterday, 4/14/09. Each in a real nice plastic container of its own - even had the Shell Plate Number on the case.
But there was no EZeject kit. So, I called to see why. I wondered if they had forgotten me.
I talked to Jennifer. She asked if my press’s SN was below 7000, I said “yes”.
She said there was a list of folks getting the kit and proceeded to look for my name on it.
She found my name, I’m on the list, so, I’ll just have to be patient – She said they were on “Backorder” and couldn’t give me an ETA.
Well, with the return of my shell plates I think can again use my “old” LnL – I read somewhere that the retrofitted shell plates still work on a non-EZeject LnL press.
We’ll see.
Hack
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I bought a red one to replace the blue one I sold to a friend.
He doesn't know that I got the better press.
Hack
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Range Report – Standard Small Rifle Primers vs Magnum Small Rifle Primers, in 223
I was wondering about the difference in velocities of reloads using Standard Small Rifle Primers as compared to reloads using Magnum Small Rifle Primers. I know for a fact, that Magnum Large PISTOL primers produce higher velocities than Standard Large Pistol primer. I experienced it while shooting rubber bullets (no powder) from a 44 Mag case with only a primers, no powder. I wondered if the same was true of small RIFLE primers.
I used Federal Standard Small Rifle Primers and CCI Magnum Small Rifle Primers. I wished I could have used Standard and Magnum primers of the same brand, but didn’t have one brand of both kinds of Small Rifle Primers.
I shot them from my Olympic Arms AR15 with its 16 inch barrel.
All reloads contained 20.0gr (trickled for exactness) of H4198 powder.
All reloads contained 55gr SPBT bullets purchased from Berry’s.
I used a Chrony F1 Master Chronograph to get their velocities.
Sky Screens 15-20 feet from muzzle. So, muzzle blast shouldn’t have been a factor.
My hypothesis was that Magnum Small Rifle Primers (MSRP) would produce higher velocities than Standard Small Rifle primers (SSRP) – same as Large Pistol primers.
My hypothesis was not supported by my experiment. I found that:
the velocity of a bullet fired with a SSRB was, on the average, 2767.
the velocity of a bullet fired with a MSRB was, on the average, 2722.
My conclusion is that MSRP, with their thicker cup, contains less primer accelerant (powder).
Here’s the data. Velocities are in chronological order (so I can more easily so the range), not the order produced when the string was fired. However, the 2 slam fires are where they happened.
Standard Small Rifle Primers
Stan Sm RI Prim
20.0 ! - H4198
3/21/2009
1 2677
2 2715
3 2738
4 2741
5 2763
6 2770
7 2773
8 2781
9 2781
10 2787
11 2804
12 Slam Fire
13 Slam Fire
14 2810
15 2828
2766.77
Average
Give or Take
61.23
Magnum Small Rifle Primers
Mag Sm RI Prim
20.0 ! - H4198
3/21/2009
1 2651
2 2675
3 2682
4 2684
5 2688
6 2694
7 2721
8 2734
9 2735
10 2737
11 2751
12 2756
13 2771
14 2776
15 2781
2722.40
Average
Give or Take
58.60
BTW - The thinner skinned SSRP produced two slam fires during their string of shots. The thicker MSRP had none. So, if using SSRP use good range safety – as you would do anyway. But, I often point the AR upward as I depress the lever to send the bolt forward, loading the first round of a new mag. I was on the porch of the cabin myself and my brothers built on our hunting property. I’m glad I didn’t have any slam fired then, or I’d shot a hole in the roof.
Hack
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Bench Report – RCBS ChargeMaster 1500 Combo.
Earlier I posted a thread announcing that I had purchased an RCBS ChargeMaster 1500 Combo Powder Scale/Dispenser from Midway. I bought it on 3/18/09 and it arrived today 3/20/09 – pretty fast.
Several asked for a report after I had used it. Well, today I used it to load 150 reloads for my AR - .223. This thing is really neat. The instructions were not difficult to follow, but then again, I already own an RCBS RangeMaster 750. Both scales basically work the same way.
After the initial calibration, all you have to do is punch in the amount of powder you want it to dispense and then push a button Labeled “Disp” and away it goes – an irritating beep/buzzer sounds when the load is stable. I had it pour 24.2gr of W748 into the pan and then I took the pan and poured it in the case. I also had it pour 20.0 H4198 and, again, it performed flawlessly.
If you want to turn the annoying beep off, then press and hold the "Zero" button, until it shows "Beep Of". To turn it back on, just do it again.
Initially, it runs pretty fast, but as it approaches the desired charge it slows down and, in the end, actually trickles the rest of the powder into the pan.
On the last page of the instructions, a section heading, “Auto”, caught my attention. This thing will operate automatically. All you do is press down the “Enter” button until “AUTO” appears on the screen. Then, you enter the charge (24.2 for W748, 20.0 for H4198) and hit “Disp”, just like regular. But here’s the auto part – when you set the empty pan back on the scale, it dispenses the next charge automatically – you don’t have to do anything. In fact, I was seating the bullet in the case I just filled while it was refilling the pan.
To change it out of AUTO, back into MANUAL mode, just press enter again.
I filled 50 cases with W748, a ball powder, and the 1500 did the job w/o problem. Then I filled 100 cases with H4198, a stick powder, (50 had magnum small rifle primers and 50 had standard small rifle primers - something I’m doing for another experiment I’m working on).
In summary, I’m glad I got it. I can already see the benefit – especially since I mailed all by LnL shell plates back the Hornady today to get them retrofitted for the EZeject kit (29.99) I bought.
I used my single stage to load the 150 223 reloads and I can tell you – I sure do miss my progressive LnL press.
Hack
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Just called Hornady about retrofitting my "old" LnL - there's a kit.
Hornady does not need to get our old presses back to retrofit them. They do need us to send back our old shell plates, though.
The retrofit kit costs 29.95, no shipping and handling fee, they'll eat that. I said, send it, she took my credit card # (when I send the shell plates, she'll just charge it to the card, also.
I remarked to her that I thought we were going to have to send the press back and she said, Nope, we got another way - it lets you do it yourself. Sure beats the $100 I thought I was going to have to spend. Hope it works - probably will, knowing Hornady.
A call to Hornady is required - to order the kit and to get a return authorization number for the shells plates - which still cost $10 each the retrofit for the EZeject.
Here it is:
https://www.hornady.com/shop/?...1220d38cb988631b370e
Hack
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I will soon be buying a powder dispenser myself but had been leaning toward the Lyman. Why did you opt for the RCBS? Thanks in advance.
Two reasons:
1- I already have an RCBS Rangemaster 750 digital scale and it is great. So, I figured that had to count for something. Truthfully, I didn't even think about the Lyman, no reason not to, it just didn't enter my mind. You may want to re-visit Midway and read the rating on the two.
2- And speaking of ratings, after I read all the ratings on the RCBS 1500 Combo on Midway (I think their were 48, almost 5 stars across the board), it reinforced my belief that this was a good dispenser and since it was on sale for $287, I figured I'd drop the dime on it. Good thing I did, too, because this morning the sale was gone and it was back up to $320.
But it can be had for under $300 ($299.99 at Midsouth) - but the stock is low and I'll bet soon to be "Out of Stock".
https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item...?sku=0004498923
Hack
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Another brother told me he followed my link and the price is 319.99.
Here's my response to him:
"Wow, hayseed, last night it showed 319.99, but it was also listed in RED as "ON SALE" for 287.99 and with S&H (11.03) it cost me 299.02.
I just clicked on the link I gave and see that the read sale price is gone, it just shows 319.99.
Looks like I got lucky and bought it just in time for the sale price.
You may try calling Midway and see if they'd do the sale price for you."
Hack
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I ordered an RCBS ChargeMaster 1500 Powder Scale and Dispenser Combo
I heard a lot of good things about it and finally order one from Midway - to my house $299.02 (best price I found - and it was Available, can you believe it?
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/...m_campaign=9315
I plan to use it more with my stick powders than with ball.
Hack
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Thanks to Wolf, got a chance to use my new bullet puller.
It's either my LCP or Wolf small pistol primers. I think its the Wolf primers. Many times I pulled the trigger and nothing happened.
I removed the round looked at the primer, saw a dent. Sometimes, when I put the round back in and puller the trigger, it fired. That's why I think I got some lousy Wolf primers.
So, I got out my brand new, Hornady Cam Lock bullet puller and, after fiddling with it, pulled 200 bullets from my other .380 reloads, knocked out the Wolf primers and easily captured the powder. Didn't take no time at all.
Then, I re-primed the cases with Federal small pistol primers and reloaded them.
Now, I'm gonna see if the Federal Primers go bang - every time. The Federals weren't my first choice, but I couldn't find any CCIs.
But, I sure was happy with the Cam Lock Puller. I don't want to even think about using my hammer puller to pull 200 bullets.
Here's what it looks like:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewp...productnumber=851547
You have to buy the collets separately, but obviously, the collet I used to pull the .380 bullets will also work with 9mm, 38 and 357.
PS - this is the first time Wolf primers have given me any trouble. I use 'em in my 9mm, 357 and 40 SW reloads, and have had no problems - knock on wood.
Hack
Hack, I've tried the Forster puller with limited success. I'm not sure there is enough area below the ogee(?) that is exposed on the bullet to get a good purchase.
I might try the Hornady, based on your success. I won't tell you how many I need to pull (because of my error). I've already embarassed myself enough thinking about it.
I've never used the Forster puller, but the Hornady does just what I wanted it to. Grabbed those little 380 round nose bullets with ease. And, as you probably know, a lot of it is "feel". I got better and better at it.
I reckon we aren't the only ones who make mistakes and need to pull a bullet. After all, every reloading manufacturer I know of makes one kind or another.
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... knocked out the Wolf primers ...
How were you removing the primers? I've never had to do it (and have never thought about how I would do it).
I just gently ran the case back up into my resizing/depriming die. My press, the Hornady LnL, has a long tube that carries a used primer to the trash can. What I did was take one of my wife's longer old flower vases, stuck the tube into it and collected the knocked out primers.
Hack
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Range Report – IMR 4227 behind 55g SPBT in my Oly AR 15.
I found the recipe for IMR 4227 on the Hodgdon’s website back in December. None on my manuals have 4227 in their tables. I looked online again today and it is gone. I think I know why, read on.
Back in December, Hodgdon’s recipe started with 16.0 g and ended with 17.0 g.
I really like the ease of metering IMR 4227. Much, much easier than IMR 4198 or 4064 – that’s one of the reasons for me trying IMR 4227.
I also liked the idea if using less powder. Figured it would make my pound of powder go farther.
So, I reloaded five recipes for IMR 4227 and none of them were satisfactory to me. All would make the Oly AR 15 eject the spent case, but most of the reloads would not drive the bolt back far enough to pick up the next round. I had to cycle the bolt by hand, using the charging handle.
Here’s the range report: I fired 10 rounds of each.
14.7 g of IMR 4227
Highest fps – 2402
Lowest fps – 2184
Average – 2329.86 (+/- 72.12 fps)
All ejected, bolt never went back far enough to pick up the next round.
15.0 g of IMR 4227
Highest fps – 2381
Lowest fps – 2252
Average – 2332.74 (+/- 48.25 fps)
All ejected, bolt never went back far enough to pick up the next round.
15.3 g of IMR 4227
Highest fps – 2495
Lowest fps – 2262
Average – 2372.44 (+/- 122.56 fps)
All ejected, bolt never went back far enough to pick up the next round.
15.7 g of IMR 4227
Highest fps – 2530
Lowest fps – 2331
Average – 2397.00 (+/- 133.00 fps)
All ejected, the bolt went back far enough to pick up the next round 2 times.
16.0 g of IMR 4227
Highest fps – 2560
Lowest fps – 2408
Average – 2501.00 (+/- 59.00 fps)
All ejected, the bolt went back far enough to pick up the next round 5 times.
I’m going to reload 16.5g and 17.0g to see if they will chamber the next round.
Do any of you guys have any experience with IMR 4227?
PS
While I was at it, I chronied 10 Remington Factory 55g loads, here’s the results
Highest fps – 2867
Lowest fps – 2724
Average – 2801.4 (+/-65.60 fps)
AR functioned flawlessly.
Later, I chronied 10 more of my 55g reloads, they were a recipe from my reloading manuals, 24.8 g of IMR 4064:
Highest fps – 2739
Lowest fps – 2597
Average – 2674.93 (+/-64.07 fps)
AR functioned flawlessly.
Hack
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Is this in an AR or a bolt?
I asked it specifically about an AR, but I guess it could apply to a bolt.
Hack
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Okay, Gary from Federal called me back.
He said NO, I should not use anything in 223 reloads except small rifle or mag small rifle primers - and definitely not small pistol primers of any kind.
He said the risk of slam fires and/or the risk of piercing the thin skin of a small pistol primer is why.
So, like many of you told me, it's a resounding "NO" to using small magnum pistol primers in 223 reloads.
He didn't say anything about reduced loads and I didn't ask. If you want to pursue it, the Federal's phone number is above this reply.
Thought I'd let you all know.
Hack
Guess it doesn't really surprise me. When they told me then, I tested Win small rifle vs Fed small pistol mag in 175 PF 38 super loads, could not tell any difference in velocity and fired primer apperance was better with the Fed...I know not a good indicator.
But I don't think I ever loaded any in 223.
Some guys may also remember that Winchester said their primers didn't change when they went from white box to blue box packaging.
So - for me bottom line is do your own testing.
Sherwyn
I don't think you were wrong about your 38 super loads.
I came to understand that one could use small rifle primers in pistol reloads, but no vice versa.
Hack
I’m still in line to get Hornady’s EZeject kit.
in non-Dillon Reloading Equipment
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Not go flying across the room - that sounds good, I'm still waiting.
Hack