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  1. Shot my second match ever with the XDm - Limited classification based on the current rules and interpretations. Given the 15 procedurals experienced across two of the 7 stages - the Limited classification was the least of my worries! Just wasn't my day mentally with a line crossing on the first stage and then completely missing a mandatory reload on another... Hopefully some of the experienced members will get a chance to provide input on the new rules prior to implementation. I think that will be a win/win for everyone and look forward to the clarification when it becomes available.
  2. Gary - Very much appreciate the work being done and your continued efforts to keep us updated. I don't want to read too much into your statements but it sure appears to me that the majority of current members are going to be pleased with the new document.
  3. While we are taking BOD members hostage, let's try to not have any "friendly fire" incidents Gary Hey, I've read the rules. That will get you DQ'd...
  4. Since you played devil's advocate earlier, perhaps you'll forgive me doing the same. Let's say you're totally playing by the rules. Let's say you're aware of someone else who isn't. And lets say there are no "judges" or "referees" or "match officials" around to "catch it". At some very basic level, you have two choices - you can choose to play the game according to the rules as they are written, no matter what anyone else might be doing. Or you can choose to ignore the rules, and play according to how the other guy has decided to play. Isn't that *your* choice? I mean, isn't it uniquely, specifically, personally up to *you* to decide what *your* actions will be, no matter what anyone else decides to do? I really hate to drag this thread so thoroughly sideways. But I feel like *someone* has to call bullsh_t on the idea of "if they can't catch me, it is okay to do." At the end of the day, it isn't about getting caught, it is about a choice. To do the right thing... or not. One of my childhood heroes (Paul Elvstrom, 4-time Olympic gold-medal winner in sailing) was once quoted as saying "if, in winning a race, you have lost the respect of your competitors, you have won nothing". I still believe that is a true statement for *myself* ("my personal choice"), no matter what the other guy may choose to do. I'd [personally] much rather lose with honor, than win by ...some other, less-than-honorable means. Good counterpoint and completely respect that point of view. Just to be clear - as I've said previously - I don't condone the ""if they can't catch me, it is okay to do" approach. If you look back, this thread got 'active' because I went out of my way to try and understand the rules so I would be in compliance. That was NECESSARY due to official publications by the USPSA, sent to said new member in my 'welcome' package, being in contradiction with the rules - which were not 'clear' regarding the issue of trigger work. On top of this, I had personally been involved with members of the division who thought it was perfectly legal to have trigger work performed in the Production Division. If I had any intention of cheating, which apparently a large population of Production members are doing inadvertently, I wouldn't have gone through the trouble of all of this. Just want to be clear, considering where this seems to be pointing - as that quote seems to keep getting directed toward my posts. My obviously poor attempt with the devil's advocate post was to drive dialogue regarding the importance of clarity in the rules and the fact that they need to be enforceable - as enforcement of the rules drives compliance and a clear understanding of how the game is played on a match by match basis. If there isn't a mechanism for enforcement or clarity in the rules - you end up where you are today - with the rules not having any real bearing on how a local match is conducted. My apologies if I've derailed the thread - wasn't my intention and I'll refrain from posting anything that could be misconstrued going forward. CHEATING BAD CLEAR RULES GOOD
  5. Nope. That's mob mentality. "hey, everyone else is is doing it" doesn't make it "the right thing to do", either. So how do you get around mob mentality? Seems to center around enforcement of the rules, does it not? One thing is for certain - it sure isn't fun to be the only one following the rules when you take a game seriously. (Fortunately I'm in it for the fun...) And don't anyone worry, I'm going to classify myself this coming weekend in the Division that the current set of rules says I should be in - regardless of what EVERYONE else shooting that division does locally. This is a hobby for me and I'm a new USPSA shooter just trying to avoid the "Mike's" at this point. I look forward to the clarifications when they come out - hopefully they are a positive step towards a growing membership in the division and not a further frustration for the existing participants.
  6. If there is a speed limit and everyone chooses speeding is it really illegal. Well of course it is. If everyone knows it's cheating then of course sportsmanship is compromised. I guess I have a different interpretation with the 'devil's advocate hat' on. We aren't talking civil/criminal laws here - it's game rules which is a big difference. If a majority of the competition are playing a game a certain way and the rules don't line up with that majority - the rules are broke, not the sportsman who make up the majority of participants. Per Meriam-Webster: Main Entry: sports·man·ship : conduct (as fairness, respect for one's opponent, and graciousness in winning or losing) becoming to one participating in a sport When the majority of opponents are playing contrary to rules - that's not poor sportsmanship, as you are on a level playing field with your fellow opponents. With that said, I'm only playing devil's advocate here and believe that everyone has an obligation to insure they comply with the rules. With that said, maybe we have people playing a different game than what's outlined in the rules today as it relates to Production Division and trigger work.
  7. {Puts on Devil's Advocate Hat} If a rule exists but the majority of competitors choose to ignore it, is it really cheating? As long as everyone is doing it, sportsmanship is not compromised it would seem. {Removes Devil's Advocate Hat}
  8. Embers have cooled? I must not be using the right brand of lighter fluid then...
  9. The only reason I didn't get the CED7000 was due to the 'not being able to change the battery' problem. In this day and age, that a real design flaw IMO. I could even live with a replaceable proprietary battery, much like we have in modern cell phones, if that were required. Not being able to change it at all was a deal breaker for me. I went with the CE Pocket Pro II for that reason and find it to be a great timer as well.
  10. Well, that's what I'll probably do but don't want ANY of you guys calling me a cheater! Besides, if I was cheating my score would be somewhere above the bottom of the pack! I'm a new member at the OKCGC so I'm sure you'll catch me in the future. Just look for the guy missing the targets with the XDm - can't miss me!
  11. Thanks Gary. I'm not trying to be pushy - just thought we'd have some input today based on where you thoughts were previously. Given this, sounds like things are close. I'm just trying to figure out if I need to not worry as much about reload practice for this coming Saturday's match. If youre a new uspsa shooter, the last thing you should be worrying about is this thread. You be 1000x better if you were dry firing instead. I'm not worried at all. Just want to know what I should put down for the Division I'm shooting when I show up as I'm using an XDm with trigger work. Right now it would be Limited based on the interpretation as it stands today...
  12. From what I understand, you still need to practice reloads Isn't that the truth! Unfortunately, there isn't enough time in the day to practice EVERYTHING I need to do between now and Saturday to not embaress myself. Fortunate for me that I don't have self esteem issues!
  13. Thanks Gary. I'm not trying to be pushy - just thought we'd have some input today based on where you thoughts were previously. Given this, sounds like things are close. I'm just trying to figure out if I need to not worry as much about reload practice for this coming Saturday's match.
  14. Come on AD's - throw this dog a bone! I promise I won't tell!
  15. As soon as we get the final wording on this "peace accord" we are going to start on that whole mid-east thing Glad to see the priorites are set correctly!
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