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I didn't know there was a forum for that--thanks. I posted a question there.

I was hoping some of you who are more experienced in Practiscore might be able to help me. I'm running a run and gun match and I'd like to have an optional long range bonus target. Can a bonus target be added in Practiscore? Meaning, can I create something in the stage-building section to add a bonus target, which if selected, would take time off the run? I've poked around in there and haven't seen anything. Thanks

5K Run and Gun Biathlon in the Florida panhandle (Tallahassee), Sunday, March 12th. More information at the Practiscore link. Talon Range Run and Gun

Disappointed with the lack of run and gun style events in my area, I did the only logical (stupid) thing--and made my own! Anyone in north Florida, south Alabama/Georgia who is interested: Talon Range Run and Gun, Midway (Tallahassee), FL The Talon Range Run and Gun is a centerfire handgun and rifle biathlon. It’s a test of your body, marksmanship and gear held in field conditions. It’s a test to see if your ‘battle rattle’ equipment works as well in the real world as it does in your LARPing dreams. This is a ‘first’ at Talon, so go easy on us—we’re still learning. I have tried to keep the entry fee low—to match your expectations. I promise it will be fun! The course is a little over 3 miles long, with various obstacles and 5 shooting stations or stages. The terrain is very hilly and challenging (just kidding--it’s Florida) and the obstacles are physically demanding. Shooting distances range from up close and personal out to about 250 yards. Much of the shooting is in unusual positions and at unknown distances. Participants must be prepared to handle some physical exertion and be familiar with their firearms’ operation. Equipment/divisions: There will be 2 divisions: Open Division and Plate Carrier Division. The only difference between the two divisions is with Plate Carrier division, competitor must wear a PC with rifle-rated plates for the entire race. Other than that, the equipment allowances are the same. The only equipment that is strictly required to participate is a stopwatch (wristwatch), a safe center fire rifle (with a sling), a safe center fire pistol, enough ammo to clear the course (at least twice the minimum round count from the Course of Fire is recommended), and eye/ear protection. Everything else is up to each participant. Bring whatever you want—but you have to carry it. I wouldn’t recommend shorts, and I’d suggest wearing something that gives decent ankle support, but I’m not your Mom. I HAVE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED THIS MATCH TO BE ABLE TO BE SHOT WITH STRAIGHT-UP DUTY GEAR—A SERVICE PISTOL, DUTY HOLSTER, A STANDARD PATROL CARBINE WITH IRON SIGHTS OR A NON-MAGNIFIED OPTIC WILL WORK JUST FINE. Shooters may use their choice of gear to carry their equipment, the only requirement being that pistols must be carried in a secure holster that covers the trigger guard. A retention holster, such as a Safariland ALS-type holster is STRONGLY recommended. Rifles may be carried or slung any way you like (rifles will ALWAYS be empty except while shooting a course of fire). Ammo: Ammo must be standard range-type FMJ, JSP, HP or similar; absolutely no tracers, bi-metal (most steel-cased Russian ammo) or armor piercing bullets that have a penetrator core. M855, SS109, and any similar steel core ammo, any ammo with green or black paint on the tip, or any ammo with bullets that will stick to a magnet are not allowed. We reserve the right to check ammo at the start of the race and at any point during the race. Violators will be kicked off the course. PCCs are not allowed for your rifle. Pistols must fire pistol cartridges. Round Count: The MINIMUM round count will be 36 rifle and 30 pistol. Most folks running events like these seem to feel comfortable carrying twice the minimum. Targets for the match will consist of various-sized steel plates, some of which are on lightweight target stands. We cannot allow any calibers or ammo that will pierce, bend, dent, destroy, disable, knock down or otherwise disrupt the targets. 223, 5.56, 308, 7.62x39 6.5 Grendel and 300 Blackout are all good. If you intend to shoot something else, please contact me first so we can discuss it—we’re trying to avoid breaking targets or knocking them over, which creates delays. Procedures: Talon Range 550 Commerce Blvd, Midway, FL 32343 Shooters will report to the Talon Range at the carport just beyond range 15, at least 15 minutes prior to the start of their heat. Please stop by the range office on your way in and let them know you are there for the event. You'll have to fill out a short on-line waiver. Heat check-in times are 7:35am, 10:15am and 1:15pm. There will be a registration table near the starting line. Here, shooters will check in and be assigned a start time and will receive their score card, which must be carried throughout the course. We will review the rules, procedures, and courses of fire immediately following check-in. Runners will be sent out in uniform intervals within each heat—about every 6 minutes or so. Be sure to show up on time and ready to go at your appointed check-in, or your spot will be given to someone on the standby list. Next: RUN! Or walk. Don't let the 'run' part of the description discourage you, if you don't think you can run the whole thing. Many competitors will walk some/most/all of the course. Your Fitness: This is no walk in the park. The obstacles will test your balance, coordination and upper/lower-body strength. If you can't do a few pull-ups, scramble up and down rough/rocky hills and push through wooded areas, some of the obstacles will be difficult to overcome. Also, the weather may be hot (or cold—it’s Florida after all), and you need to be aware of over-exertion. Be sure to bring an appropriate amount of water. Your health is your responsibility; please manage your limitations accordingly and walk/hydrate as needed. Don’t be afraid to bring your own IFAK—the life you save may be your own (or, more importantly, mine!). How to Sign Up: Match date will be Saturday, March 26th. Registration will open on February 18th at 0830 EST. Sign up via Practiscore here: Practiscore link There will be three ‘squads,’--these will be the heats. Within each squad/heat there will be 20 openings. Sign up and select which heat you want to run (squad 1 is heat 1, etc). The approximate time of day that the heats will actually run the course of fire: Heat 1: 0800-1100. Heat 2: 1100-1400. Heat 3: 1400-1600. Once you arrive at registration on match-day, you’ll get your random-draw start time for the heat that you have squadded on. If you are sharing equipment with a buddy, make sure the two of you sign up on different heats. Match fees: $35 per registration. If you want to shoot it twice, I will allow it—but only after registration has been open for a week to allow everyone the chance to sign up. After you register, you must send me money! This isn’t like a local USPSA match where if someone doesn’t show up that has already registered it’s no big deal. A match like this is fairly dependent upon competitors showing up for the time slot they signed up for. After registering, you will have one week to send me the match fee via PayPal. Either $35 friends and family or add 3% for the ‘protection fee’ or whatever it’s called. My PayPal address is the same as my email address: razzman1@hotmail.com If you don’t send me money, I’ll remove you from the Practiscore squad list. I’ll send a reply to you that I have received your payment. If the match fills up, I will start a ‘standby’ list. Those on the standby list can show up on match day, and if anyone who registered doesn’t show up for their heat, a standby competitor may take their place. Refund/Cancellation Policy: A half refund will be given until two weeks before the race. No refund will be given after that. To cancel, contact me by e-mail at razzman1@hotmail.com. How can I shoot the match for free, you ask? I’ll need range officers—20 of them. 5 stages times 2 ROs times 2 shifts. You can sign up for the match (say an AM time slot) and RO the afternoon, or vice versa. For your time, you can shoot the match for free. Please contact me to let me know that you would like to RO. I’d prefer folks who have some experience in ROing USPSA/Steel Challenge matches, but as long as you can write a score down legibly, you’ll do. Small things may change prior to the match. Keep an eye on your inbox to make sure nothing changes. I have Sunday March 27th as a back-up date in case we have some sever weather rolling through on Saturday. Any questions? Contact me at: razzman1@hotmail.com

Thank you very much for that response. Nampa here I come.

For the last few years some buddies and I try to get together for a 'travel match,' i.e. somewhere non-local that typically involves a flight. I try and combine it with some place I can mountain bike as well. I have never shot Area 1, nor have I been to Idaho, so I was thinking I could scratch two things off my list. Any feedback on the crew that runs Area 1? Decent match? Thanks

I know in years past Ft. Benning Multigun loosely prohibited coupled rifle magazines that we not of staggered height, I think to prevent mono-podding off a giant coupled magazine base. I don't see anything specific this year, but they are now following UML rules (which I think is new for this year). In the UML rules under rifles it states this: 'Any rifle supporting devices to include but not limited to bipods and/or monopods or a device that deploy legs and or supports and elevates the muzzle end of the gun are prohibited. Forward grips less than five inches long are acceptable.' Does anyone have any experience with matches run under UML rules? Does this prohibit coupled magazines? Thanks

Awesome. Plate ordered and slide sent off to get cut.

I recently purchased a steel frame Dan Wesson Specialist in 9mm that I really want to put a dot on. My plan was to use the Chambers Custom RMR plate. However after taking it to the range I'm a little concerned that it might affect reliability. The DW is very smooth, but the slide doesn't have a lot of velocity in recoil, and I'm a little worried that adding the dot might negatively affect reliability. That being said, it looks like the Chambers Custom plate set up removes a good bit of metal from the slide, so in the end there might not be much, if any, net gain in weight after adding the dot. What do you all think?

I'm still pretty new to the PCC game, but had a blast at the Nationals!

Just wanted to add a quick video for anyone curious about the match. It was an amazing match, and I will absolutely be back next year. Max and his crew did a wonderful job, and should be commended. 2021 Cobalt Kinetics 2-Gun The match was in St. George, UT--which is incredible--so I took a few days after the match to do some mountain biking in the area. Riding the mesas in the area was absolutely incredible. Two thumbs up, would do again!

I have been happy with Taylor Freelance.

Max: Just for logistical purposes, do you have an approximate round count? Also can we ship Ammo to the range? Thanks

So I see that there is a PCC division as well as a carbine division. Is it all the same match regardless of division, or are there distant rifle targets for those shooting carbine division? Disregard--If I'd actually read the info on Practiscore, I would have answered my questions.

Hello everyone. Just wanted to pass along a little good news. After conversing back and forth with Troy NROI, I have officially gotten the word that the VP9L (long slide) is now Production and Carry Optics approved! It will be added to the list immediately. Apparently it was already approved due the rule change regarding 'modular guns,' back in May, but I'm dumb and didn't realize that. Now there is an actual 'Yup--that's approved.'

I've never been able to use my trigger finger or social finger to hit the paddle. I gave up after a while and just stopped thinking about it, and my thumb just hits the paddle as though it were a button.

They are ridiculously fun. They really can't compete against the AR-based PCCs with regards to the trigger, but I just don't care--it's that much fun!

HK is not offering factory SBRs. All of us (on the team) SBR'd ours.

It was a fun match, and I had a great time. Absolutely love the RMR set-up. There were three of us there shooting SP5s from the HK team (all three set up differently).

Thanks, Jonathon! You shooting FL State or A6?

I don't care if it's obsolete, or not as competitive as the AR-based platforms--I can't wait till my Form 1 comes back, and I can start shooting this in PCC!

Well well. Look what came in. First impressions: The trigger is amazing, but there is a lot of take-up in the SA. I'll read the instructions and see if that's one of the things you can mess with. The front sight is a little thick for my liking, but it's fine. I wish they had used a Dawson style front sight so the fiber wasn't so big, but I can work around it. All of the machining is very well done, and it feels like an incredibly well built handgun. The 'droop' in the beavertail doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would--mostly because the front strap (area between the bottom of trigger guard and bottom of frame) is so short on a 92, that had they relieved the beavertail area any more, it would probably unnaturally point high. The grips are whatever. I thought they would be a stickier rubber compound, but they are a hard plastic, and while nicely 'pebbled' they are a little slick. I'm not worried about it. It's certainly heavy. I think the Brig. slide was the wrong choice, but in reality, I don't know how much slide weight would have been saved by a standard slide. The mag well is nicely beveled and all of the 'racy' parts like the slide stop and take down lever are nicely done. Anyway, can't wait to get to the range. I'll report back as soon as I do. ETA 1: Well, damn. I guess being an early adopter one would expect issues. Turns out the 'pre-travel' set screw is missing from the gun. Doesn't affect shooting it, it's just an annoyance. I called Beretta this morning, but they don't have manuals or parts for the gun yet, so it may take a while to get it. No worries, though, it will still shoot just fine. ETA 2: Update. Apparently the pre-travel screw is only for an SAO gun--not for a TDA gun. Which makes sense after looking at where the screw goes, and what it does. That's a little disappointing, as there is a good bit of pre-travel in single action, but the DA-to-SA reset is so short, once you get used to where it resets, it should be pretty easy to shoot fast splits.

So who makes a decent kydex/plastic holster for this? The Brig slide with a rail is an odd combination, and most of the normal places I'd look for a kydex holster don't seem to have the model needed. I see Wilson Combat has a BladeTech for their 92G Brig Tac... I don't think the frame is identical, but it would probably work. ETA Disregard. Beretta has a nice one right on the website.

Completely stock, except for some rock tumbling media applied to the grips, and a set of Dawson sights. I've been using the long slide for 3-gun, and I shot L-10 with it at area 6 last year.

Fun match, but dear Lord it was hot.