Bianchi

Was able to examine one of the Stock 3 models at a show last week and it did appear to be a small frame. The barrel length seems to have returned to 5 inches, making the slide slightly heavier. Since the frame has been milled out for a picatinny rail, the benefit of the desirable additional weight to improve recoil control may have been lost compared to the "straight" Stock 2. No bull barrel either. BTW: The trigger job was far better than my Stock 2's from the factory. A noticeable improvement on the Stock 2? Wouldn't want to sell mine - yet.

Correct. After the first shot they are all the same (single action). The trigger characteristic of a double action trigger in single action mode is different though, but an ultralight trigger for carry work is not advisable anyhow. One consideration for carry work is to find a CCW holster for the Stock II. Don't know which ones are available for the squared trigger guard and long dust cover.

Hi Henning, As discussed last time, remember to let me know exactly when and I can tag along and ride "shotgun" . Bianchi

@Cha-Lee: No primer looks like this one. As stated, the strike is still round but shallow, but the depth probably has more to do with the S+B primers. Thanks for the advice regarding the recoil springs. @Garyl: Hi-jacking? No problem. Your experiences also make interesting reading. IMHO, a 13lb hammer spring may require a lighter (shortened) firing pin spring to reduce the swipe effect as well. However, taking too much could result in a slam-fire risk with a heavy recoil spring and you are using a 11lbs spring that is actually higher when used in a shortened slide version such as the Stock or Stock II. I plan to remove the firing pin safety to check this with my Stock II's set-up, but am probably still far away from this limit. First the championship, then more tuning...

Nothing. One rather shallow symmetric dimple. I am tempted to take off some more coils but the current solution seems to be sufficient. District championships next weekend, so never change a running system . BTW: Still battling with the 8lbs./10lbs. main spring decision in the Stock II (i.e. shorter slide). Thursday will be the final opportunity to test the preferred option. Any recommendations?

Couldn't resist the challenge . Currently I am using the 14 lbs. Wolff hammer spring in my Stock II and did not experience any misfire last week despite using my regular S+B ammo (relatively hard primers) and retention of the firing spring safety for PD. The solution was to lighten the firing pin spring by removing some coils to compensate for the weaker hammer spring. Previously there were some issues with misfires, particularly in DA mode, but these appear to have been solved by this remedy. Post-shooting inspection of the cases did not reveal any excessive puncturing of the primers but the FP spring will probably need to be exchanged should the hammer spring weight need to be increased again. After all the polishing work and sear optimization, mine is pushing slightly over 6 lbs DA and 2 lbs SA with the 14 lbs spring. The Final Frontier = 13 lbs. If CZ can do it...... Regards, Bianchi

Some sort of a franchising deal maybe? The parts could be marked/marketed as "Approved by Tanfoglio as an original part" or "Approved Tanfoglio part". For an X% contribution per part sold via Henning, they would have to assume warranty coverage and include them in the regular Tanfo marketing documents. A "win-win" situation probably.....Tanfos become more competitive and popular especially for Production . At the last national championship in my neck of the woods, hardly one gleaming Stock II could be identified amongst the PD fraternity, so there is definately room for improvement. CZ Shadows/Mambas comprised over 30% of the field.

This is a factory option. Production legal. Basically looks like the Limited Custom 2 with Gun kote. Must be a new option. Have fun breaking in the bronco tomorrow... Don't forget the photos...

I bought a new stock 2 in Gun kote, Congrats - photos please.... I thought that the finish can't be changed in PD though. Bianchi

Great idea! Don't forget to include a decent sear as well.... If Tanfoglio doesn't want to go to the trouble themselves, they would indirectly profit from increased interest in all PD approved models and others by creating a "Performance Center". My Stock II wasn't very competitive "out of the box". It took hours of polishing and tweaking with a lot of help from some of you guys to get the trigger right. Henning, why don't you fly back to the US via Milano or Verona ?

Henning, I am getting slightly envious of the Standard/Open class fraternity now...... What a fine selection of bits and pieces will be available to the guys and gals out there. Any thoughts about what parts could maybe, ever so possibly, accidentally fall into a PD Stock II, besides the regular polishing tricks? Just to get the list going: Lighter hammer spring Alimin(i)um grips EGW sear (has to work with the standard DA trigger though) Sear pin and reamer (for the standard sear?) Lighter trigger reset spring The new trigger pin (or will this be too obvious?) Fiber front sight ......? I might just throw in the towel and convert this fine pistol into a race gun in order to continue tweaking it . Regards, Bianchi

Hi Klinfire, Welcome to the forum. Since the Tanfoglios use semi-polygon Lothar Walther barrels that are hard-chromed, it doesn't take much to get them clean (fortunately ). I use the German VFG Quick Clean pellets with an adapter on the cleaning rod and a little oil. Two pellets and the barrel looks like new again. Like most of the custom Tanfos, the Stock II is also a highly accurate pistol due to the tight fitting, the match barrel and the adjustable sights, and is therefore more versatile than the Shadow, but the out of the box trigger requires some tuning to make it competitive. Cheers, Bianchi

Enough ideas to solve the problem for the moment. Thanks all . Bianchi

Hi, The trigger pin (roll pin) on my Stock II tends to start creeping out to the left side by approx. 1/16" after 100 rounds. Has anyone else experienced this and, if so, what is the remedy? Bianchi

Hot stuff Henning ! Saves me a lot of bother dealing with the factory directly, even if they aren't so far away. Compliments on the service and the patience to hear out my ideas..... Bianchi PS: Henning: Any hot topics for me to trash out with Massimo at IWA in March, such as the Stock II large frame mag pads? Drop me an email with the laundry list if required.

Hey Mate, yeah we might be lucky to have the Stock II Limited, but the mags we get have dimples front & back with a lazer cut through the mag, dimple to dimple. 10 round max, local law crap. Cheers, Ando. Ta Ando, A 10 round limit really ain't dinkum cobber. I was hoping that you could explain how to get 20 rounds into the Stock II mag..... Cheers Bianchi

G´day Ando, Have you tried loading 9mm Para into the mags (the ones without an indentation on the s(l)ide)? If so, how many went in? Presumably the mag base is the flimsy plastic type as in my linked photo. You guys are lucky - a full length slide keeps the recoil down..... Cheers, Bianchi

Hi, I suppose THIS is what Henning means. Observe the depressed area/indentation on the side of the mag, which is also on the other side BTW. I was thinking about trying the old 38 mags out for more capacity in this large frame 9mm Stock II..... Bianchi

Hi, All Limited, Stock etc. models should have match barrels from Lothar Walter in Germany, who have an excellent reputation in target rifle shooting. Furthermore, I have been told that the Tanfo barrels are chromed, so don`t mess around with them apart from some light polishing. Mine has a noticeable machining mark in the crown at the muzzle but I was advised not to have it removed due to the chrome plating. Together with the fact that they have a semi-polygon profile they are sooooo easy to clean . Bianchi

Hi Henning, Did you also manage to discuss clarification of the large frame mag pad issues for the Stock II? BTW: Finished my first match with the Stock II yesterday - the large frame version worked perfectly without any reliability hitches with the standard (non-rail) mags and the 15 lbs mainspring worked well without any misfires. Maybe I'll risk fitting the 14 lbs spring sometime........ Bianchi

Thanks for the interesting link. I am not an IPSC lawyer, but my interpretation of this prolonged thread is: 1. OFM pads that increase the mag capacity are not PD legal (mine do, since they are hollowed out ) There were (early) versions without the recess for the original Stock, but were discontinued by TF. Vince Pinto approved their use for the World Shoot in Bali. 2. AM pads are legal, provided that they do not exceed the external dimensions of the OFM mags. Here the advantage would be that the shape could be rounded to improve the ergonomics. In conclusion, the safest bet would either be to manufacture 1. A copy of the plastic pad but from aluminum or stainless. Proper placement of a grub screw (or two as practised by an Argentinian manufacturer) would eliminate the need for the the metal plate. 2. A copy of the pad depicted in the photo. BTW: Apparently Tanfoglio is considering starting up production of these pads for the PD TF community again. Henning, what do the H-350 pads look like? I can't find them on your website. If the begging for small frame versions of the Stock II doesn't work out, then I would look forward to ordering the correct alternative to these plastic pads for the large frame Stock II from you . Regards, Bianchi

I would appreciate information regarding a confirmed (PD class legal) alternative to these plastic pads. The mags literally fall apart because the pad slides off on contact with a hard floor and the individual parts (and rounds) fly in various directions, which is somewhat disconcerting. I have tried to solve this by drilling and threading a 3mm hole with an Allen screw through the one of the locations that are presumably used for installing a rubber pad. Let's see if this works out. BTW: Can someone explain why the steel mag plates (above the pad) are rounded upward at the front? When the mag is dropped, they then tend to ride upward when shifting forward, thereby "unlocking" the plastic pad. I was thinking of flattening them as far as possible. The Tanfo aluminum pads do need modifications. I have had to lower the height to get the mag catch to lock in, otherwise the pad prevents the mag from travelling up far enough. Nevertheless, the ergonomics are far better than the plastic pads since the base is rounde and fits well into the palm of one's hand during a mag change. Henning, no issues with the reliability of the HC yet, even with shortened followers and one coil less on the mag spring which gets the capacity up to 18 rounds as discussed. Bianchi

Hi there, Hopefully you all got your Tanfo parts as per your Xmas wish lists . Thought that this photo would interest a few. It shows my Stock II with an HC frame and Henning's grips in black. Still not convinced I can replace the mag pads with the original Tanfo aluminum models for IPSC though. Something about not being able to use plus 1 pads, even if they are from the OFM. Bianchi

Thanks. Then I'll reinstall the four aluminum pads that I have. Which are the rubber pads and is your Stock II an HC frame as well? Bianchi PS: Henning's checkered grips work well on my Stock II after shortening them.

@Mo Hepworth Nice collection Mo. One question: Are the aluminum mag pads on the Stock 2 considered legal for Production? My Stock 2 is an HC frame and I use the plastic pads that tend to slide off when hitting the ground during mag changes, or does anyone know how to keep them on? Bianchi