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I left this out: It should not be so much a game of power but that of shot placement and accuracy. Have a nice day, Jack So we should only use 22lr ? Aren't you the same guy that said USPSA bought the Steel Challenge so you could figure out why it made money? Your smart reply is one of the reasons USPSA is falling behind the power curve. Jack

Apology accepted Bill! We all know MGM has the finest products out there and they are one of the many great sponsors of the sport. Travis already got with me and we're square. I don't think you realize your dealing with a lot of type "A", highly competetive sponsored shooters and we have a different philosophy when it comes to shooting. It might not be feasible, but we need a system in place that rewards "success" to the top finishers in each divisions and still shows the sponsors appreciation to all the shooters. Get rid of High Senior, Super Senior, Ugly fat Guy, etc. Maybe it's just me, but how can you get excited if you win Super Senior and there are only two of you. (USPSA of course) I'm 55 years old and don't want any concesssions for my age. I wouldn't compete if it wasn't on a level playing field. You will never make everyone happy, so the MDs need to set a standard you can live and die by. We shouldn't have to bait new shooters to the match by advertising big prize tables and such. The match should be designed well enough that it is a reward and gratifiying in and of itself. Have more side matchs, shotgun, raffles and such for award of prizes. Have an agility stage with a special prize to the fastest time on the stage that even a first time "in shape" shooter would be capable of winning. I don't think I should receive a prize, gift or whatever you want to call it, just because I participate in a match. If I don't shoot my ability and finish poorly, that's on me. I'm going home and work on my shortcommings. (Big list lately) The reality of it. When there are big money guns and prizes on the table of high value, then they should go to the people who performed the best. This is an incentive to new shooters; you want the good stuff, then work for it. To tell the truth, it wouldn't bother me if there wasn't a prize table. Most of us shoot for the love of the sport first and foremost. But if the sponsors are going to put great prizes on the table. Then dude, if I win, I want my piece of the pie!!! Basic human nature. I'm out of here. I race motorcross/enduro, but haven't been able to practice because the ground has been holding too much water from the hurricane. Finally dry enough to hit the tracks/trails. See ya next hurricane. Jack

This is the first time I have seen this video. (RM3G AMU video) Wow!! Had no idea what I was missing. Have spent too many years down in Florida and up and down the east coast shooting. Most of us from down south don't generally do well at these matches because there aren't very many ranges that go out past 100 yards down in Florida that you can actually practice/shoot and move on. I am next to Fort Polk, LA now and have access to all the training facilities I could ever ask for. Won't miss another one!!!! Also, we don't have mountains in Florida either, just sand dunes. Jack

Sorry man, I don't like doing this on line, I would rather say it to your face, but (I don't care for your) philosophy!! This sounds like its coming from someone that has never won anything and is (unlikely to) ever win a competition. Notice I said competition. It's all about competition first, and then everything else falls in line. Nothing against people working their way up in the sport. The last time I checked we generally tend to reward success in both sports and in the way we do business. We should reward the top level shooters with the best prizes and I would expect nothing less. The people who generally disagree with this are those who are jealous because they are incapable of winning. Most of us shoot for the love of the sport, but hell yeah, it is damn nice to win a gun or a top level prize now and then. It's not that we "deserve" it, we WON it!! The reward system is also what makes people work harder to get better. We all support the people that sponsor the events and to think that just because a top level shooter wins a prize and sells it does not make it any less promotable to the original sponsor. Regards, Jack T.

Chris, I hear what you are saying. I have no doubt the match will be fun. The people have busted their butts at the local area to do a thankless job as always and I have no doubt their efforts are second to none. You guys have also set a standard for quality matches over at Area 2 without a doubt. But, here is the but, this is a National Level Match, not an Area Match. It would be a great Area Match, but it is not up to a National Level Standard. USPSA has an obligation to put on the best competition possible for their members. Each year should be better than the last one. Lessons learned so to speak. I don't see it. And yes, the stage diagrams are maybe not what they could or should be but I would have to say they are probably a pretty good representation of what to expect. Here again we are talking about a National Level Match, the stage diagrams are an extension of the professionalism exhibited by the USPSA. Maybe it would be better not to even post the stage diagrams ahead of time. Wait till registration. That is another discussion. Enough. Let's see what happens! All my equipment is running like it should (at last) and I have not been this mentally fired up since I came back from spending two years in Sudan/Darfur as a US Military Advisor. The last year and a half of shooting has seemed kind of petty and all of a sudden I feel that addrealine/excitement again. Hope I don't have to stir up the pot every time just to get up for a match. Just kidding! Sorry if I offended anyone, that was/is not my intention. Just want to see us put on the best matches we are capable of and make this the best damn sport out there. Still if anyone is upset with my opinion, I will be on squad 8. But just so you know, Dean Makos said you gotta go thru him to get to me. Go get em Dean. Hope everyone has fun, be safe and I wish our brothers a quick recovery down in Beaumont, Orange, and southern Texas in general after the Hurricane. JT

I Agree. We all shoot for different reasons. I shoot for the competition. If I want social interaction, I go to the beach/surfing. Besides, I don't like any of you guys. My opinion; Top three finish in each division (regardless of classification) should be awarded and the quality/value should be equal in each division. Then go with the random drawing. Who cares if you won 1st A in your division, when there were only three of you to start with. I won 1st Master at the last area 6 3 gun. Shot like crap and of course the remington took a dump, I think I was the only master and they had a plaque, so guess what? I got to go to the prize table ahead of people who performed better than I did. We are starting to see an increase in Limited Division/Tactical Iron 3-Gun Competion and it is because of the dedication of guys like Kurt, Ted, and others. Call this your entry level 3 Gun if you want, but it is definitely the most challenging aspect of the three divisions. Shot with Kurt at the 2005 Area 6 match and I was impressed. I didn't know big guys could shoot iron sights and move that fast! Pretty soon we will just give each other hugs at the end of the match.

I don't want to get off the thread David, but I am over in Area 4 Now. I was abandoned here at Fort Polk, LA., by my oldest son, when he up and left for the Special Forces Qualification Course at Fort Bragg. Back to the Multigun Nationals. Sorry if I hurt some feelings here, but the more I look at these stages, this match is an embarrassment. Absolutley no creativity, no door entrys, nothing but partitions and cookie cutter stages. Looks like a mediocre local match without a lot of props. It appears the Multigun Nationals stand in the shadow of the Handgun Nationals and are an afterthought. I am more excited about the Arkansa Section Multigun Championship, Area 6 and Fort Benning, than the Nationals. That's not the way it is supposed to be. The USPSA Multigun Nationals needs to be a match that other matchs may be judged by. I put the blame for this at the top management level of USPSA. There are two major events during the year which the USPSA can show what it's made of to the membership and this is one of them. Great job guys!!! Never having been one to sit on the sidelines, and since I have opened my mouth, I need to start looking into running for the Area Director Position during the next election. Now, you guys up in Arkansas need to get David Hyden to run for president. I hear he is about to reitre anyway. Would be a great position for him and USPSA. Regards, JT

Hey, feel kinda bad about my negative feeling toward this Multigun Nationals, especially for any new shooters that read this. But seriously, we are paying the same entry fee as the Limited, Open/L-10, Production Nationals, and getting 1/3 less shooting time. 19 stages versus 12 and we are still out there for 3 days. Add 4-5 more stages and now it becomes a quality match. Also, it appears to me someone is trying to level the playing field across the board. This is why we have different divisions. Let the HiCaps run!! If this venue will not handle a national level event, then USPSA owes it to it's members to find a venue to host the Multigun Nationals that will set the example for a National Level Event. Need to take a few lessons from the Area 6 guys, always a quality event! Jack

Don't see a whole lota bang for the buck here. Too much staging of hot weapons and clearing of weapons when it is done like this and very little trigger time. This will probably be the least amount of shooting time at any match I have been to in all my years of competition. The over all average is arround 20 rounds per stage. About like a military haircut, get you in and out real quick. Open Divison is neutralized and won't really be a challenge, just a hoser match. Think I will switch to Tactical Division and at least try to make it a little challenging and fun. Seems like its all about the money lately at the top level of USPSA and too many rules. Do believe I will just stick with the International and Outlaw 3-gun matches after this Nationals. Sorry, I haven't had a bad/negative piss pore attitude like this in years about spending good money and going to shoot a competition and being manipulated to have to stay one extra day for one f#@king stage. Oh Well!!!! I don't care about prize tables and such, I shoot for the love of the sport. JT

Generally when you have a fixed time on flash targets you shoot as many times or as fast as you can to try and get the hits required within that time. The reason you want to put a fixed time on the strings is so you don't have people out there shooting till they finally hit all the targets. We would be there all day on this one stage. In other words you will blast away at the target until an RO yells "hit" then you move to the next target, etc. Your score will be the total value ( 5 points per target) of the number of targets you hit within 10 seconds. No penalties for mikes, etc., or 80% of the shooters would zero the stage.

Email or PM me with info, too, please. Saturdays are not good days for me, but I'm interested in what ya'll got going on over there. PM sent! (Hey, Jack! I don't even shoot there and I'm doing all the PR! WTH? ) Appreciate it!!! You're welcome anytime. Jack Travers

Glad you brought this up. We will be doing six stages with two stages from the Nationals this weekend. I am going to try and do at least two more Multigun shoots during September, utilizing as many stages from the Nationals as we have the props to set up. We want to try and set the standard for 3-Gun/Multigun in this part of the country (Louisiana). This is a relatively new club, Piney Woods Action Shooters (PWAS), and the interest is starting to grow. We have excellent support from the city and the use of the range. We can pretty much do whatever we want as long as it is safe and no one is looking over our shoulders. I set up the match where it can be shot by both pistol only shooters and Multigun/3-Gun shooters alike.

With fixed time scoring, you generally get the point value for hits only. No FTE's or Mikes. If you take 20 shots in ten seconds and hit one flash target, you get one (1) hit, (5 point value). Penalties for procedurals will still apply to the score (shooting outside the fault line, not making a mandatory reload, etc). Note on string 1 of the rifle standards you start standing behind fault line. You can go prone, kneeling or whatever after the start buzzer. The stage procudeure only mandates that you start each string standing. Stage 1 does not stipulate a particular position in which you have to shoot. Strings 2 and 3 do.