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Just to clarify a loose barrel bushing (aka when the gun is locked up and the barrel wiggles in the end of the slide) if it is enough you can feel it you need to have a smith check it out and correct if he/she/it recommends it.
Lock up is evaluated with the gun closed (locked up) push down on the barrel hood if it moves it needs to be fixed. Slide slop isn't that important until it is, meaning it can be loose but when it gets too loose then its a problem. If the barrel bushing is tight and the hood doesn't move it should be accurate enough to shoot in matches. I had one that shot well, you could hold it and rotate the wrist left to right and hear it rattle but it had good lockup and the bushing was tight. It only had about 100,000 round down the tube.
Recoil springs, with light loads I've run 7, 8# springs but those don't always work out because you run into feed issues, I'd recommend a good 10# spring, if the gun works well with that you can then work your way down till it stops working and move one up.
Just like when I was racing stock cars, you make one change and only one change go back out and time/test it. Changes to loads changes to the gun I always evaluate those with a timer, establish a baseline then make the change and see if you are faster. Some times it feels good and makes you slower.
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Barrel lock up causes accuracy issues, but the there are two other things that are much worse. 1. Bullets colliding with the comp, if this is happening you will see a shiny spot on the edges of the bore holes in the comp. However I usually shoot the next no shoot in the array when this happens. 2. Barrel to slide, or if cone comp the cone to slide fit, any slack here and you will be spraying a wide path.
Loads and bullets as someone said don't make a lot of difference, well I'll say this ain't horse shoes. Tite Group is my least favorite powder for 9 mm, but I happen to love them bayou bullets, just not in my open gun, although I have shot thousands of them at 1400+ fps, I just keep the drimmel handy to gouge the lead out of the comp. I don't spend a lot of effort on a minor steel load but I use a powder that provides some gas to the comp. Like AutoComp at 5.5gr to 5.8gr with 124gr JHP. If you can shoot an 8" group at 35 yards you should be able to hit all the steel in a steel match, but in a USPSA match those peskie poppers will eat your tamale. If factory ammo isn't working its probably not ammo.
Ok so everything checks out, then what, maybe it is like my old 30-06 deer rifle, when old Ned strolled up with his majestic horns I missed him 3 times, took that rifle to the smith and he did every thing from glass beading to free floating and wallet draining, still didn't work. On a hunch I got a new Scope, Ned's head is in the Den. Maybe you got dot float.
Ooh and if the slide is real loose on the frame AccuRail, I had one done and it was a tack driver after, I sold it right away if it was accurate and I wasn't it had to go.
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I just scored a few thousand Armscor 9 mm 115g FMJ. I've shot them before but they were blemished. The verdict is that in major velocity they leave deposits of lead in the comp, and their accuracy at 50 yards isn't very good, that said in minor for steel they work very well, ringing the gong at 35 yards no problem.. My minor steel loads are 5.5gr of Auto comp, half way between minor and major.
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No love for TiteGroup from me, too snappy, too hot, too dirty. Just about anything works better, my favorite is N320 then WST (because 8# jugs are cheap), for minor I've used AutoComp and I like it. SR7625, HP-38, Red Dot, Solo1000 to name a few. These days like the Obama days you load what you can get.
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Get the Redding GRX, I use to run them all thru it but after a while I just put the rejects thru it. Yeah Yeah putting a loaded round thru it might be dangerous but I don't have any holes in the roof, don't stand over it. I have a case pro, and I roll loaded rounds thru it as well, when they fail the plunker. Primers are too scarce for rejects.
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15 hours ago, noylj said:
Hate all plated bullets I have tried.
Love Precision Bullets (swaged coated lead bullets)
Love ANY Zero bullet (check with Powder Valley)
Love Precision Delta bullets (jacketed and as cheap as those plated "bullets")
Accuracy not an issue, so order FMJ-RN or L-RN.
Another vote for the Precision 180gr bullets my all time favorite, and 2nd place is Bayou. I load them with WST 4.7gr 1.185. Care needs to be take not to cut the coating, so a little more flare than jacketed. PF runs 172 in hot weather. I also shot a lot of 200gr Zeros over 4.3 gr of TiteGroup, a little less recoil but too many case failures. The trick to loading 40 is the GRX push thru case sizer, other wise you run into a lot of rejects. I roll them in my case pro. My friend and 7 time world shoot winner put me on the precision bullets. (Ted Bonnet).
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Its all in the plastic. Get a metal gun. Now that I've had my fun, I'm a B class, but I've played the game a lot longer than some. You can't stop the bounce any more than you can stop the wind. That said the most important aspect is that it returns basically to the same spot. If you have to adjust the position that costs time, if you are moving to the next target it doesn't matter. You could take a job as a diesel mechanic for a couple years to strengthen your wrist or try some different recoil springs. There is one assumption here, and that is that you have shot enough that you are oblivious to blast and the sound, once you have shot enough you won't notice the recoil or even notice the sound, it becomes like an out of body virtual reality. Focus on the big time eaters first, if you save .005 a second on a course 16 double taps will you win the match? probably not. If you can cut 1 second off each move to a new position that might be huge. It is not how fast you get there it is how fast you get there ready to shoot.
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Make sure you are practicing the technique properly. Doing it wrong 10,000 times will not be a happy ending. You can use a mirror or cell phone camera on a tripod. Maybe you are doing the dirty harry thing. When I do practice this I take it all the way to breaking the shot, don't train yourself to draw and not shoot. (talking dry fire here), but it is also good to do wet fire practice. If you are close to either side of 1.5 seconds to break shot, move on to more important skills like movement and positioning, there is way more time you can cut in those skills. Practice other starts, table, and table unloaded, and reloads.
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On 9/28/2020 at 9:58 AM, mrd said:
I'm right handed and left eye dominant.
With open sights I place the handgun in front of my dominant eye. I find this more relaxed than tilting my head. I experimented a bit with grip panels to make me naturally position the gun right in my grip. A thinner right panel will make the gun point slightly to the right and vice versa.
With a red dot I place the handgun/dot in front of my non-dominant eye. This makes me use target focus and seeing clearly with my dominant eye, the non-dominant eye picks up the dot.
I prefer to not lean, tilt or fight eye-dominance with patches etc, for me it is easier to adjust the grip of the gun and learn to index the gun so I can stand relaxed and use my eyes the way they work. Been shooting this way for years now and I don't think about it anymore, I just draw the gun and shoot.
It takes a lot of dry fire practice to get that gun to come up in front of the dominate eye. You need to do this dry fire in all of the common positions until it becomes natural. It is a lot of work but once done it sticks and it is the best solution, not the easiest or fastest. The kicker is the dry fire helps your shooting as well.
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Set up a target at 25 yards if you can hit the a zone 4 out of 5 shots that gun will work, set up a target at 50 yards, that is about as long as we shoot put an 8" pie plate on it and if you can keep the shots on the plate you are good to go. Most new shooters ignore the most import thing in shooting, the platform, if you don't have a good platform the rest doesn't matter. Movement skills, it isn't how fast you get to the next box it is how fast you get there ready to shoot, work on those skills, positioning is huge a few inches left or right will save seconds. My first match I got my ass handed to me by a little old lady in her 80's, shooting a Bersa Thunder. You can spend a butt ton of money looking for the magic, but I can tell you the magic is learning the skills in the game and shooting is just one of them. Like the old farts say it is the Indian and not the bow. Stage analysis skills come with time, some times it makes sense to run up and others the long shot, but then you have to know your strengths and weaknesses, which change over time.
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Another vote for C-More slide ride. I have 5 of them, don't waste your money on the click. When I shoot I finely adjust mine the same way I do the throttle on my BMW wide open. Battery life not an issue on at Make Ready, off at Unload and Show Clear. All but one are on 9 major guns, no ejection issues, get an AFTEC problem solved.
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Over the years I've seen lots of different guns come and go in popularity. No doubt if you wanna be the envy of the crowd get a Limcat, nothing looks like one, or if you are driving a Lambo then get yourself an Infinity. But when it comes to the test of time, and an absolutely reliable tool for shooting open I'd recommend Triangle Shooting sports, Benny Hill. The question itself says I'm new to open, if that is true you aren't ready for a custom gun because you don't know what works for you, a custom builder could approximate what works for most but in the end it might not be what works for you. I had too many open Guns 5, so I sold one to a friend to have another one built, it wasn't too long till I has bugging my friend to sell it back, because my search for the magic failed, in truth I had sold the gun that worked best for me, I just didn't know that till I tried out other options. It is the nature of the open gun shooter to search for a better tool.
But I have to say most all Limcat owners seem happy with their gun, as do Brazos gun owners, and some of my friends do extremely well with AKAI.
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I run 7.3gr of Sil with a 124gr. 9 maj at 1.165. This load has made major up to temps of 105F, however one cold morning down at the Gator Classic the chrono hit 184 pf. It was a beast that day till it warmed up.
I shot mostly STI 2011 but I do have a Glock (keep this on the down low), it runs well with the same load.
I've tried about every powder, and Silhouette is my favorite. I've even done 9 maj with Accurate 7, 10gr w/125gr 1.165.
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On 1/30/2019 at 6:49 AM, jcc7x7 said:
I run a 2011 with a Bedell comp at 175+ pf, that's where it runs flat.
I have a Bedell Comp on one of my guns, and I load it up around 175 pf, just to tame the beast. Titanium, have had to ream it 4 times, over the years. I also added two poopel holes to make it softer.
The same gun, different barrel and comp (Dawson's Todd Jarrett) shoots softer @170 pf. No holes.
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I think the answer is it dependents on how serious are you? I wouldn't go to the Nationals with a load of kanker brass, nor for that matter the Gator Classic or any other major match.
But back to the original question. Yes I would shoot twice minor loaded brass 9m. When it comes to 9 major I let the brass vultures have mine, but I'll pick their brass up if they abandon it.
The first step in brass prep it to go over it with a magnet, some of them are not brass, a steel case will jam up the gun to the point it has to be hammered out with a rod. Next to the tumbler, then to the case pro. Once loaded every round is drop checked with Zero Tolerance, all the failures go in the practice bucket.
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Nice old school gun. Load up some115gr with 11 gr accurate 7. That comp wants lots of gas. That pro point way more accurate than c-more. Cure the rattle with Accurail. Thigter tha dick’s hat band.
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Dawson makes a run once in a while. I like how light my cone comp guns are the bull just a little heavy out front.
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I tried a bunch of comps, my favorite is the Dawson Todd Jarrett. I have this in both Cone and Bull Barrel guns. If it bucks too much for you then start drilling. I use Silhouette it has temp issues but it shoots nice and soft. I have also shot a lot of Accurate 7, compressed load at 10 grains. I shot AutoComp when I couldn't get Silhouette, was out for 2 years.
Spend more time doing Dry Fire and less time looking for the magic sauce! Exercise and practice movement and positioning skills, stage analysis.
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Flatlander I'm have go get a good Marlin Camp 9, and show you how a $300 rifle can get the job done. I had one, and it whopped all those high dollar AR's at the IDPA 2 guns, without breaking a sweat, but then so did my Knock off M1 carbine. Its the Injin not the bow! LOL
Haven't seen you in a while!
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I wonder what Bullet Jerry M used on those 9 mm 1000 yard shots. LOL If it will stay on an 8" plate at 50 yards its go to go.
Precision Bullets uses swaged lead instead of cast lead, they are about all I shoot in .40 Limited the 185 grain with 4.3g of WST, it just don't get no better.
9 mm my FAV is the Bayou 135gr, next up the Acme LipStick 125gr.
None of them fail to make regular deposits in my Comp on the Open gun at any velocity, ok Drimmel time.
All of them will deposit in the barrel if you don't get the flare right and over crimping is a nono.
45 Single Stack Precision Bullets 200gr Semi Wad Cutter, never fails to feed in my LA Gator Classic match gun, Round Nose forget it! The holes are awesome. I need to make some soon.
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Just for Clarity Chris, is it Staff Saturday actual match on Sunday, and is it Open Squadding as in the past?
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LOL Reminds me of when I started shooting open. Let me add some parameters around dry firing, make sure your dry fire routine includes leaning around corners, sqatting down into a window and all the odd positions we encounter in a match, then throw in some reloads in those off positions, followed by two more rounds weak and strong hand.
Honestly there isn't anything more fustrating than being 4 feet from a target and a no shoot, and shooting the no shoot 3 times while searching for the dot. There is just no short cut to dot mastering lots of time with your new friend the dot. I'm guessing it took me about a year to master the dot, after that I didn't look at it when a target was only a few feet away I trusted my point and shoot ability.
But if you can read this you don't need a dot, you can shoot irons, just need the right glasses.
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This is a good opportunity to revisit your ISO9002 ammo process. If you have a "failure to feed" and it is one in 100, well it is probably a small variance with your ammo, after all you did buy the cheapest bullet you could find, No?. Be more critical during the drop check! Make sure it is perfect else it goes into the practice bucket!
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LOL I'm 68, I get a kick out of the younggins complaining about their aches and pains and telling me I'm too dry when they a sweating like crazy in the heat. You know who I'm talking about the ones that walk up to shoot and their pants look all wet!
By the end of the match they are toast.
That said, the key is not how fast you get there it is how fast you get there ready to shoot. Think about it then watch some folks, they get to the spot plant look at the target then raise their gun, that is slow, a couple steps before I get to that exact spot I want to be in my eyes are on target my gun is up in shooting position and it goes bang most times before my trailing foot has settled. This is more for those working towards A.
My fitness starts with stairs, who likes running, ok Forrest, I do 100 floors of stairs 3 to 5 days a week, I did 20,000 floors in one year. Next up is upper body and core strength, dumbells every which way, then some Planks, and side planks, much better than crunches, and chair squats, and push ups.
My observation of an "A" vs an "M" is consistency that is probably what needs improvement.
When you start using age as an excuse, just go ahead put your head between you legs and kiss you axx goodbye. I don't use my age as an excuse for anything, I can do anything now I could do at 20, only better since I am way smarter than I thought I was at 20. Well except for hearing, that I need aids for. LOL
Been shooting since I was a kid, but never properly trained. Looking for advice on instructional resources and practice setup.
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Steel Challenge sounds like a good choice to start because the skill set is limited, mostly just the shooting. You have a 22 pistol and I'd suggest starting with that, it eliminates the draw from surrender. You will need 5 magazines that work, take 200 rounds to the match. The trick to the mags is to smooth the surface the button rides on inside and outside the mag and keep it clean. If you have issues with the gun running Volquartson firing pin, extractor, and you might as well do the trigger, but try it first.
What to expect. At my first steel match I had my rear handed to me by an 80 something lady shooting a Bursa Thunder, she mad me look like I didn't know how to shoot, and I had shot other action pistol matches and was shooting a $2000 STI. After a few matches and some practice I was easily faster than her, only because I hit the plates when I shot, which is the #1 thing in this sport.
There are lots of shooting tips on Utube, the ones from USPSA and SC shooter are pretty good, but with 22 your platform isn't a deal breaker but doing it right will make you better.
There is nothing worse than a slow miss. Good Luck with it and have fun.