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All Glocks should shoot sub 2" groups with good ammunition from 25 yards when rested.
You have been reading to many gun magazines.
Most guns are not capable of 2" groups with any ammunition. Period!!
You may be lucky to have one that does but that is all it is. Luck.
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Tim,It should actually be about the same for being quiet.....you may want to recheck your gas system. The BCG might be moving too fast still, less gas may be needed.
Is the buffer spring included in your kit?
By the way. The .22 lite weight barrel you sent me is super!
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I agreeI don't think "both eyes open" is a game changer when shooting mostly static targets like we do in IDPA,IPSC type games.
I do think it is more important when the targets are moving like skeet, trap and sporting clay type games. I think the peripheral vision with both eyes open is needed to pick up the moving targets.
Agreed...
This is why I don't shoot clays.
There are many top tier action pistol shooters who are cross dominant.
I believe there are very few successful cross dominant clays gunners.
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I don't think "both eyes open" is a game changer when shooting mostly static targets like we do in IDPA,IPSC type games.
I do think it is more important when the targets are moving like skeet, trap and sporting clay type games. I think the peripheral vision with both eyes open is needed to pick up the moving targets.
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So what are the possible reasons for a KB that exclude human error with the powder charge? It seems we are all quick to say reloaders fault if it's reloaded ammo. I'm not a metallurgist so what signs of wear or stress are there in guns chamber or barrel? How important is the brass to the containment of the shot? Does the chamber fully support the brass or is the brass more important than that. What is the possibility of a bullet that is slightly over sized getting over crimped or causing too much back pressure exiting the barrel?
I never hear any of these items discussed but always hear the Human error side because most of the evidence for anything else disappears whit the KB. I also notice that most cases where firearms blow using factory ammo are not discussed much online and seem to disappear fast. I'd love to hear from a real gun expert on what other issues aside from powder overcharges can result on an explosion of the gun.
I have been the RO when the same shooter blew up two different Glocks a few months apart. SCARY!!
Being a 1911 shooter, I knew nothing about Glocks at that time. He always bragged as did many Glock shooters that cleaning their guns was a waste of time because they ran so clean.
I started shooting Glocks. I am a clean freak. For a year or so I often cleaned my 17 but never stripped the slide down. When I finialy did I found a LOT of crap in the striker channel and around the disconnect plunger. A LOT of crap. I run both lead and jacketed.
If the disconnect sticks in the down position from crap, the striker hits the primer before the gun goes into battery. BOOM!
Not saying I am an expert, just my own experience with Glocks.
So, maybe the Browning was a loading problem? Maybe the Glock was a cleaning problem?
I don't know. Just trying to help.
You shot lead bullets in your Glock? What barrel?
Disconnect plunger? Are you referring to the firing pin safety (#9 in the following image)?
http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gearscout/files/2012/01/G17-Gen4-Exploded-View-with-legend3.jpg
If so, if it was stuck in the down position, the gun could never fire as the firing pin wouldn't be allowed to move forward. If it was stuck in the up position, it simply would remove that safety mechanism from operating safely but it shouldn't change the firing pin from hitting the primer in a normal fashion (it would simply take away from the prevention of the firing pin striking the primer if the gun was dropped for example). The firing pin safety does not affect the firing pin during normal operation (i.e., it doesn't hold the firing pin back from hitting the primer until in battery).
Yes, #9.
When you push the plunger up into the slide the striker is allowed to move forward and sticks out of the breech face. If the plunger remains in the up position the striker stays protruding from the breech face. Going forward it will strike the loaded shell and may cause the shell to fire out of battery.
I will agree that to do this the gun would have to be very dirty and that was my point in the post.
Bar- Sto barrel.
I'll have to check tonight when I go home to confirm, but the firing pin should not stick out of the breech face once the gun has fully cycled (whether the plunger is present and functional, fully removed or fully depressed).
I think you are in for a surprise.
I have personally seen five Glocks go boom. Two, I was the RO. The other three I saw the result.
All had the top of the slide blown out. Very little damage if any to the frame or mag. To me, that indicates an out of battery explosion.
I don't really know that but it is what I believe happened.
I have seen detonations from NOT ENOUGH POWDER and double charge blow ups. Damage was to the slide, frame and most of the time to the mag and some of the top bullets in the mag.
No expert but that is the conclusion I have drawn.
This is not a rant on Glocks. I shoot one in competition almost every week and clean it after every event!
That's all I got.
Merry Christmas
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No surprise here, your theory is incorrect. Even with the firing safety plunger fully removed, the firing pin will not operate as you suggest (i.e., remain protruding from the breech face and striking the primer before fully into battery). Once a Glock is fired and the firing pin is protruding from the breech face, the firing pin could remain protruding as the slide cycles rearward (and could remain exposed for the full rearward travel). Once the slide begins to travel forward to go into battery, before the slide would travel the remaining ~1/2" forward, the trigger bar will contact the rear of the firing pin and pull it rearward (and away from the breech face) as the gun continues into battery and therefore there is no way the firing pin could be exposed.
In summary, the firing pin will not strike the primer before the gun goes into battery in a Glock, whether it has an operable firing pin safety or not.
If the same guy blew up two Glocks within months of each other, I would be questioning his loads, and not the cleanliness of his Glock or the operation of his firing pin safety.
Sounds good. I hope you are right.
I will continue to clean my Glock.
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So what are the possible reasons for a KB that exclude human error with the powder charge? It seems we are all quick to say reloaders fault if it's reloaded ammo. I'm not a metallurgist so what signs of wear or stress are there in guns chamber or barrel? How important is the brass to the containment of the shot? Does the chamber fully support the brass or is the brass more important than that. What is the possibility of a bullet that is slightly over sized getting over crimped or causing too much back pressure exiting the barrel?
I never hear any of these items discussed but always hear the Human error side because most of the evidence for anything else disappears whit the KB. I also notice that most cases where firearms blow using factory ammo are not discussed much online and seem to disappear fast. I'd love to hear from a real gun expert on what other issues aside from powder overcharges can result on an explosion of the gun.
I have been the RO when the same shooter blew up two different Glocks a few months apart. SCARY!!
Being a 1911 shooter, I knew nothing about Glocks at that time. He always bragged as did many Glock shooters that cleaning their guns was a waste of time because they ran so clean.
I started shooting Glocks. I am a clean freak. For a year or so I often cleaned my 17 but never stripped the slide down. When I finialy did I found a LOT of crap in the striker channel and around the disconnect plunger. A LOT of crap. I run both lead and jacketed.
If the disconnect sticks in the down position from crap, the striker hits the primer before the gun goes into battery. BOOM!
Not saying I am an expert, just my own experience with Glocks.
So, maybe the Browning was a loading problem? Maybe the Glock was a cleaning problem?
I don't know. Just trying to help.
You shot lead bullets in your Glock? What barrel?
Disconnect plunger? Are you referring to the firing pin safety (#9 in the following image)?
http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gearscout/files/2012/01/G17-Gen4-Exploded-View-with-legend3.jpg
If so, if it was stuck in the down position, the gun could never fire as the firing pin wouldn't be allowed to move forward. If it was stuck in the up position, it simply would remove that safety mechanism from operating safely but it shouldn't change the firing pin from hitting the primer in a normal fashion (it would simply take away from the prevention of the firing pin striking the primer if the gun was dropped for example). The firing pin safety does not affect the firing pin during normal operation (i.e., it doesn't hold the firing pin back from hitting the primer until in battery).
Yes, #9.
When you push the plunger up into the slide the striker is allowed to move forward and sticks out of the breech face. If the plunger remains in the up position the striker stays protruding from the breech face. Going forward it will strike the loaded shell and may cause the shell to fire out of battery.
I will agree that to do this the gun would have to be very dirty and that was my point in the post.
Bar- Sto barrel.
I'll have to check tonight when I go home to confirm, but the firing pin should not stick out of the breech face once the gun has fully cycled (whether the plunger is present and functional, fully removed or fully depressed).
I think you are in for a surprise.
I have personally seen five Glocks go boom. Two, I was the RO. The other three I saw the result.
All had the top of the slide blown out. Very little damage if any to the frame or mag. To me, that indicates an out of battery explosion.
I don't really know that but it is what I believe happened.
I have seen detonations from NOT ENOUGH POWDER and double charge blow ups. Damage was to the slide, frame and most of the time to the mag and some of the top bullets in the mag.
No expert but that is the conclusion I have drawn.
This is not a rant on Glocks. I shoot one in competition almost every week and clean it after every event!
That's all I got.
Merry Christmas
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So what are the possible reasons for a KB that exclude human error with the powder charge? It seems we are all quick to say reloaders fault if it's reloaded ammo. I'm not a metallurgist so what signs of wear or stress are there in guns chamber or barrel? How important is the brass to the containment of the shot? Does the chamber fully support the brass or is the brass more important than that. What is the possibility of a bullet that is slightly over sized getting over crimped or causing too much back pressure exiting the barrel?
I never hear any of these items discussed but always hear the Human error side because most of the evidence for anything else disappears whit the KB. I also notice that most cases where firearms blow using factory ammo are not discussed much online and seem to disappear fast. I'd love to hear from a real gun expert on what other issues aside from powder overcharges can result on an explosion of the gun.
I have been the RO when the same shooter blew up two different Glocks a few months apart. SCARY!!
Being a 1911 shooter, I knew nothing about Glocks at that time. He always bragged as did many Glock shooters that cleaning their guns was a waste of time because they ran so clean.
I started shooting Glocks. I am a clean freak. For a year or so I often cleaned my 17 but never stripped the slide down. When I finialy did I found a LOT of crap in the striker channel and around the disconnect plunger. A LOT of crap. I run both lead and jacketed.
If the disconnect sticks in the down position from crap, the striker hits the primer before the gun goes into battery. BOOM!
Not saying I am an expert, just my own experience with Glocks.
So, maybe the Browning was a loading problem? Maybe the Glock was a cleaning problem?
I don't know. Just trying to help.
You shot lead bullets in your Glock? What barrel?
Disconnect plunger? Are you referring to the firing pin safety (#9 in the following image)?
http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gearscout/files/2012/01/G17-Gen4-Exploded-View-with-legend3.jpg
If so, if it was stuck in the down position, the gun could never fire as the firing pin wouldn't be allowed to move forward. If it was stuck in the up position, it simply would remove that safety mechanism from operating safely but it shouldn't change the firing pin from hitting the primer in a normal fashion (it would simply take away from the prevention of the firing pin striking the primer if the gun was dropped for example). The firing pin safety does not affect the firing pin during normal operation (i.e., it doesn't hold the firing pin back from hitting the primer until in battery).
Yes, #9.
When you push the plunger up into the slide the striker is allowed to move forward and sticks out of the breech face. If the plunger remains in the up position the striker stays protruding from the breech face. Going forward it will strike the loaded shell and may cause the shell to fire out of battery.
I will agree that to do this the gun would have to be very dirty and that was my point in the post.
Bar- Sto barrel.
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So what are the possible reasons for a KB that exclude human error with the powder charge? It seems we are all quick to say reloaders fault if it's reloaded ammo. I'm not a metallurgist so what signs of wear or stress are there in guns chamber or barrel? How important is the brass to the containment of the shot? Does the chamber fully support the brass or is the brass more important than that. What is the possibility of a bullet that is slightly over sized getting over crimped or causing too much back pressure exiting the barrel?
I never hear any of these items discussed but always hear the Human error side because most of the evidence for anything else disappears whit the KB. I also notice that most cases where firearms blow using factory ammo are not discussed much online and seem to disappear fast. I'd love to hear from a real gun expert on what other issues aside from powder overcharges can result on an explosion of the gun.
I have been the RO when the same shooter blew up two different Glocks a few months apart. SCARY!!
Being a 1911 shooter, I knew nothing about Glocks at that time. He always bragged as did many Glock shooters that cleaning their guns was a waste of time because they ran so clean.
I started shooting Glocks. I am a clean freak. For a year or so I often cleaned my 17 but never stripped the slide down. When I finialy did I found a LOT of crap in the striker channel and around the disconnect plunger. A LOT of crap. I run both lead and jacketed.
If the disconnect sticks in the down position from crap, the striker hits the primer before the gun goes into battery. BOOM!
Not saying I am an expert, just my own experience with Glocks.
So, maybe the Browning was a loading problem? Maybe the Glock was a cleaning problem?
I don't know. Just trying to help.
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The Tac-Com super light buffer system makes a J.P. lightened carrier plus this system lighter than running a Ti carrier. I ran 200 rounds through this system today and it worked like a charm! I will be running this system from now on!
What did you find better performance wise than the system you were running?
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WOW,
Hard to believe the Moderator has not shut down this personal back and forth stuff between Kurt and Jessie!.
They shut me down for bitching about a sponsored team not giving back $400 won in a Wounded Warrior side match.
Instead they spent it on a car rental fee.
How bad is that!
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I have a Vortex Razor 1-6 and have been fighting parallax issues (seeing a ghost or double cross hairs). This happens on 1x and up, I have had this happen standing and prone. I have tried two LaRue mounts a SPR 1.5 and SPR-E; several different Magpul telescoping stocks including the PRS with adjustable check piece. I have tried moving the placement of the scope and adjusting optic each time. I do not know what else to try. I do not think there is anything wrong with the scope. Has anyone else had this or a similar problem? I love the scope but can not shoot it with this issue, please help.
This is not parallax you are seeing. You need to adjust the focus to see a solid clear reticle.
Look through your scope at a distant light colored object. The sky. Look at the reticle quickly. If blurry, bring the gun down. Turn the focus one way or another. Bring the gun up to the sky and look quickly at the reticle. Keep doing this until the reticle is clear and black. The Vortex needs a fine adjustment to get it right for your eyes. Moving the adjustment as little as 1/4" can make a big difference.
Parallax is when you move your eye when behind the scope and the reticle moves side to side off the target you are looking at.
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I have bought the JP LMOS and the JP captured spring unit since my last post. I had problems with failure to lock back with 223 Rem. and 5.56 mm at first. I always start one shot at a time for safety. This in my opinion is park of the breaking in process for these parts. The bolt carrier would not lock however it did eject. Tried a dozen shots or so. Then I hooked up my 300 Blackout upper to this lower and fired one shot at a time and within 5 rounds it was locking back with no more problems. The extra recoil from the 300 BLK upper with pistol gas system did it. Plus this 300 BLK upper had no muzzle brake only the AAC BLACKOUT 3 prong suppressor mount FLASH HIDER, thus more kick. Switched uppers back to 5.56 mm upper and no more problems. This worked on my buddies JP silent captured spring on his problem lower as well. These were all new AR-15 units and bought at the same time. Shot in guns with with and without JP muzzle brakes it made no difference. He had zero problems with the AR-10 unit. So an alternative method if you experience any problems might be to take out the scs and cycle the unit with your hands several times before shooting any more shots then Lube it with KG4 or tetra gun oil. Reassemble. Or shoot it with a 300 BLK upper one shot at a time till it starts locking back.
Why are people dealing with this problem when all it does is do away with the recoil spring noise?
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Well "THIS" for "this^^^", and "this^^^ again"
Armalite may not be doing that much here in the U.S. at the moment, but how quickly we forget that they were HUGE sponsores of the S.O.F. match and Mesa. They had a shooting team and lot,s of product on the prize table. Over seas they are still quite active especially in the Nordic countries and even have several shooting teams over there. If it wasn't for Armalite we probably wouldn't have brakes and they pioneered the flat top. They were the ones that conmvinced Trijicon to make a flat top mount for the ACOGS. Yeah bellittle them all you like but they HAVE been supporters of 3-gun before most of you guys even decided to own a BB gun. I would look for them to re- invest in the sport like they did before.
They certainly have done more for 3-gun than Colt ever has and yet you guys are all about giving Colt a pass! Now why is that?
Yes how quick we forget.
In 1994 Colt went along with the ban on 30rd AR mags made after 94 in New York State.
Look where we are now.
Down to 7 rd mags!!!!!
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Got to handle one of the 21" 1301 comp guns yesterday, then quickly sold my JM Pro to a buddy.
Now, off to find the elusive 24" model!!!
Why is everyone looking for the 24" and not the 21"?
Seems to me the 21 would balance out better after you hang a long tube on it.
Please don't tell me you are worried about the "look".
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If you move a foot (or both feet) when at slide lock, but you catch yourself and step back to your original position to reload, is that still a PE?
IDPA has become a dance more that a shooting game.
It would be up to the SO because there is not a printed rule about it.
Sorta like different S0's have different opinion's of what is cover and what is not.
Add another grey area to IDPA shooting.
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"... I am not the only competitor this happened to during the match.
Is it legal for the score keeper in a match to make these calls ?"
My concern would be that the shooter was given the opportunity to correct his error before
the penalty was given ? Did the "SK" verbally call "Cover !" ? Or did you find out about it
only after your run ?
A fault line would for ever eliminate this on going cover call.
It has always been a major problem in IDPA.
How many times have we all seen a big time shooter go fast enough that a SO does not know if they used cover or not.
Go slow Joe blow does the same as big time but gets the procedural for cover.
Leaving cover calls up to SO's will always be up to their personal interpretation.
Enough!!
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Palmyra .22 steel match.
Last stage, five targets left, could not hit them. Par time got me.
Thought the sight went bad. Got home, discovered a split barrel a few inches from the muzzle.
It is a Taccom "lite tenshioned .22 barrel" with a shroud around it. Put a few thousands rds through it. Very happy with it!
Called Tim today. He said I probably had a squib that caused the blow out. Very possible I did not
realize it with all the other guns banging away plus it is not unusual to have 22 rds make different sounds.
A new barrel is on the way. No charge!
Can't beat that! Thanks Tim.
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Have you seen this happen ?
Not personally, but I can absolutely see how it could happen.
Heard shooters talking about it while attending the FNH match last week.
They were people who shoot all the big ones.
Just trying give shooters a heads up.
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Think about this!
You are using your Matchsaver in a "oh shit" moment. The idea is to get that shell in there fast!
You slide it back to go into the port and hit the bolt release but the shell got hung up between the front and back of the ejection port. The bolt comes forward. The extractor hits the hung up shell primer.
Boom, a 12 gauge has detonated 6" from your face!!!
Nasty! Think about it.
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Saw Eight Versa Max shotguns at Dick's.
All camo, synthetic, four 28", four 26". All came with four chokes.
Barrels and ribs were not bent. All had the V meaning they are the later models.
$630. Are they the same as the black synthetic "sportmens" model?
Why the price difference?
Googled. No useful information.
Saw Eight Versa Max shotguns at Dick's.
All camo, synthetic, four 28", four 26". All came with four chokes.
Barrels and ribs were not bent. All had the V meaning they are the later models.
$630. Are they the same as the black synthetic "sportmens" model?
Why the price difference?
Googled. No useful information.
I screwed up!!
Went back to Dick's a few days ago to be absolutely sure I was looking at a V Max. I was.
Their Versa Max guns are now $990!!
I should have never told them the $630 price was lower than other stores.
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Sure. Bring them down to the match. Thanks
Sure. Bring them down to the match. Thanks
Dean,
Can we load more that 30 rds in our mags?
Any sling needed for long guns?
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Saw Eight Versa Max shotguns at Dick's.
All camo, synthetic, four 28", four 26". All came with four chokes.
Barrels and ribs were not bent. All had the V meaning they are the later models.
$630. Are they the same as the black synthetic "sportmens" model?
Why the price difference?
Googled. No useful information.
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You had better break out of the bubble you are living in and take a look around at the present world you are living in!I understand the fear that some people have about the 922r restrcitions.
I had an interesting conversation with the head of the Cincinnati ATF office several years back. I called to ask about some gun laws and such and we got into a discussion. This was in the Assault Weapons Ban and HI Cap Mag Ban days. LOTSA liberals crowing about how they finally were going to make the streets safer. This ATF guy I talked to was a senior guy, I don't know how high, but he wasn't a fresh out of the academy agent. He had been on the job for over 20 years. I thought it would be a great time to ask about the AWB and the HiCap mags and see what he thought.
I asked him what he would do if he and his pals were at the range and right next to him he saw a guy come in with what he KNEW were ILLEGAL HICap Magazines. He said he would go over to the guy, introducce himself and explain to him that he was using magazines that were illegal and then urge him to dispose of them. I asked if he would arrest him. He told me he would not. In fact he told me that since the law had been enacted (been on the books several years) he had NEVER seen nor heard of a SINGLE ARREST or PROSECUTION of anyone for an illegal magazine. NOT ONE....in the entire nation that HE knew about or had ever been told about. He said they have charged bangers and dopers with the violations simply to tack on additional charges and time for them after they had been busted on other gun and dope charges.
I would be willing to wager that 75% of active BATFE Agents couldn't tell you what 922r even entailed or prohibited. Even if they did know about it, you think they're gonna walk up to you on the range and demand to inspect your shotgun wherupon they totally disassemble it to verify how many parts are made in America on your foreign made shotgun?
Am I encouraging anyone to disregard it, no. You do what you want with your own firearms. I'm just saying if I had a foreign made shotgun like a CZ712, I would have no problem at all putting a mag extension on it and rigging it out to whatever specs I was wanting for Home Defense or 3-gun. I would also wager that out of all those tricked out Benelli shotguns at the 3-gun matches all over the country every weekend, there are more than a few that ARE NOT 922r compliant and their owners aren't losing a wink of sleep over it.
To each his own on this issue. I tip my hat to you for complying with 922r on your shotguns and advising others to be aware of it too. I just think that most people would chose to go ahead and build their shotgun the way they wanted anyway.
Thanks
Nalajr
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Mount your gun. Line up the small bead with the front sight. Raise your head so you see a little bit of rib between the front sight and the small bead. Your point of impact will be higher.I played around with the stock adjustments and went with the midbead the best i can get it is 3-4" low at 50 yards. Better than before but rather the shotgun hit where I aim. Birdshot and buck is where I aim. Thanks for your help and input!!
The amount you raise your head off the stock to hit where you want will be the amount you will have to raise your cheek piece.
What Kind Accuracy Can You Expect Out of a Glock 35
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I will also add that many guns will shoot a tight group now and then but not consistently.
Can you have a gun that will do that? Yes. But to have a stock gun do it, rarely.