Million Mom

So if you don't own any DA guns, one is just suddenly going to appear when you need one, just in the nick of time? :-) You truly manage to deceive yourself so badly that you actually believe this? Whatever happened to the KISS principle?

Sometimes, it depends upon whether or not you will still be able to engage the target if you go prone. If we are talking about something besides match shooting, going prone has other benefits, besides just stability

I want that safety to disengage the instant that the gun starts on its forward journey. I doesn't take a kid anything like 5000 steps to be able to walk. There's going to be some people who learn something just fine, in 1/10th the time that others need, and some are never going to learn it at all. It sure never took me anything like 5000, (or the 3000 reps that I believe I've seen you qhote in the magazines) to make my blocking, kicking or striking reflexive in tkd. Also, there are still the other issues of differences in "feel', having to THINK about reload-timing with the revolver, line of recoil, letting that long reset of the trigger take place, etc. Basically, there's no GOOD reason to bother with the revolver at all, now that Kahr's PM compact polymer gun makes the .38 snubs look so bad, as far as concealment in a pants pocket, controlability, power, ammo capacity, reload speed, ease of carrying spare ammo, etc.

If the DA pull was the only difference, I might agree with you, but since the other diffences in between the revolver and the 1911 are so glaring, I have to say, NO. To deliberately teach yourself to not concern yourself with disengaging the safety, to have such a different "feel", etc, seems to be only a distraction.

Tried one. He's not kidding when he says the screws have to be Loctited after you get them adjusted. Also, I'd highly recommend that you get a two stage instead, probably the Rock River, as modified-adjusted by John Holliger. The single stage is a bit "touchy" for high speed work. It's more of a varmint rifle trigger.

Sure, but do you understand WHY you enjoy them, as vs just shooting bullseyes, or indeed, instead of playing basketball, shooting hoops? It is about combat, whether you recognize that fact or not, and whether or not you like it.

(Edited by Pat Harrison at 3:28 pm on Dec. 17, 2002)

Mister, who are you, and what is your problem? I have never heard of this person that you apparently think that I am.

the .40 second was with the 38. His times with the .45 revolver were considerably slower. His 38 loads were so wimpy that they might as well have been a .22. His 45 loads were 185 grs at 700 fps, in a 6" barrel. His time started when the hammer fell on the first rd, so he actually cycled the gun 4x in .40 second, or .10 second splits.

Personally, all I ever cared about was the win. I know what I did. I never needed the trophy at all. They all just went into the attic. What matters is the skill that you can demonstrate, not whether or not that skill is recognized or remembered.

But, do you understand WHY it is so much fun, as vs shooting bullseye, or shooting blanks, like the SA revolver Fast Draw guys, or playing tennis? (Edited by Million Mom at 11:11 pm on Dec. 15, 2002)

I've been thinking about getting a 9mm upper for the AR, but in view of the results with a Ceiner .22 conversion and the 223, I wonder if the 9mm is worth the cost of the upper and the ammo. I have yet to turn in a time with the .22 that I couldn't readily match with the 223. (Edited by Pat Harrison at 11:10 pm on Dec. 16, 2002)

Naturally, one does not push for ultimate speed in a match, until one is an ultimate speedster. You know very well that at the very top, even .05 second per draw and hit sequence, will add up in a major tournament, if there are a lot of draws,and the ranges are close.

Are we REALLY, though? If that is the case, why aren't we just shooting Bullseye? I think that you should look a lot deeper into the motivation of "action" shooters.

That "instructor" is making a lot of very rash assumptions. Usually, the bad guy gets to make the first move, and he doesn't betray his intentions until he is less than one second from dominating the action. That is, he is inside 6 ft with a contact-weapon, or inside 10ft with a gun, and he's already got it out when the good guy has to draw from concealment. About 3x as many cops would get killed as do today, if it weren't for the general wearing of body armor. A lot more would die, too, if it weren't for swift access to excellent trauma-care. I've seen a lot of A class competitors who don't have a clue what it's like to move at the necessary speeds, from concealment with realisitic gear, in bad light, on a mover, with the sort of distractions that are commonplace in a real gunfight.