bobbo5

12-15 in/lbs with a tiny dab of blue loctite.

I have the CZC plate system on my SP-01 shadow. I got it for my Razor red dot which turned out to be a poor choice for a slide mounted dot. Super glad I got the plate system as I now use an SRO. Their plates are keyed into the slide, screwed down and the extractor pin goes through it. No chance for movement. Only problems I had with it were self inflicted. I didn't loctite the first dot and it came loose and chewed up the bosses on the plate. CZC was good enough to send me a new plate while I was waiting for VTX to send me a new dot. Long story short, after my 6th RZR I decided to go with SRO but CZC was out of rmr plates and I needed it before nationals so I had a local machinist remove what was left of the bosses from that first plate and put in steel bosses and tap holes for the SRO. 5-6000 rnds and no sign of letting up. Plate system doesn't leave you married to a sight. There will always be something better.

Take one of your other plates to a machinist or a gunsmith who is good with a mill and have it modified. 2 holes drilled and tapped and 2 location pins set in with the old location bosses removed and you've got it . Mounted mine 2 weeks ago when they said it would be a while before the plates were available.

I decided not to wait for CZC to get me a new plate for Trijicon. I took my existing plate for VTX RZR to my machinist and had him take the integral location bosses off and drill and tap 2 holes and put in STEEL location pins in it. Works like a champ and the location pins fit WAY better than the bosses the plate will come with. I had to shorten the screws like everyone will have to with the rds plates will. Easiest way to shorten screws is with a sander (belt or disc). A little blue loctite and 15 in/lb of torque and you'll be all set!

Just got my SRO. Ordered a 5moa but they sent me a 2.5moa. I am going to stay with the 2.5. Left to right are a Razor 6moa, SRO 2.5moa, c-more 6moa. I set them all side by side and tried to set them all at an adequate intensity for the room then I set them all to max intensity. I really can't tell the difference in dot size on either setting. When the SRO is set very low it is small but not where I would actually run it. Sorry I can't get pics to upload.

sorry for my ignorance here, but several people have mentioned chopping or cutting a mag down to length. Would you have to take a section out and weld it back together?

The part of the lifter that is likely culprit is the two ears at the rear (where they reach around the trigger group body). These lifters are WAY to flimsy and should have been made of heavier guage steel (check out a benelli lifter). The two "ears" can get bent pretty easily, and when the lifter is out of allignment things just don't work quite right. I see you are from Colorado, will you be at the noveske match in April? I could help you at the match if you want. Bob

Most likely the jamming problem with slugs is caused by a bent lifter. This could have happened at any time. C-Rums is not at fault however. Take your lifter out of the trigger group and lay it on a trully flat surface on one side then the other and you will probably see that it is out of straight. A bit of tweaking with two pairs of pliers will likely resolve the issue. Another thing that bugs me (probably just an anoyance but could be the cause of the problem) is how loosly the trigger group sits in the receiver. Mine is a Rhythm, but still basicaly the same as JM. If anyone finds a good solution to that problem I would be interested to know. Good Luck, Bob

I just started playing with 8 short colts in my 686 and a friends 627 8 shot. we started with a 38 357 dillon die set. we had to substitute a 9mm powder funnel to get a flare on the case mouth and a 9mm crimp die as the 38/357 sould not reach the case mouth for the crimp. Try 9mm load data and be sure to start light. My loads are 2.7 gr. clays with a 160 gr. lead round nose .357 to get about 850 fps. 3.7 gr. clays 125 gr. .356 lead round nose to get about 975 fps.

I just started playing with 8 short colts in my 686 and a friends 627 8 shot. we started with a 38 357 dillon die set. we had to substitute a 9mm powder funnel to get a flare on the case mouth and a 9mm crimp die as the 38/357 sould not reach the case mouth for the crimp. Try 9mm load data and be sure to start light. My loads are 2.7 gr. clays with a 160 gr. lead round nose .357 to get about 850 fps. 3.7 gr. clays 125 gr. .356 lead round nose to get about 975 fps. I think that 38 super would probably work fine in a .357 if you use .356 bullets and a factory crimp die.