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What about selective action guns? Where do they fall? Since they are not SA only, can one shoot them single action first shot? Or should the statement be "No single action first shot guns?" And breaking the definition down of "Single Action" isn't a Glock/XD etc SA only. The guns have only ONE action type. VS. say most revolvers that can be shot in two modes, Beretta, Sig, etc that can also be shot in two modes. Actually maybe my misunderstanding is coming from the USPSA/IPSC defintion of DA and SA. What are their definitions of the action types?

I'm fairly new to USPSA shooting, and am getting better. Amazing what practice can do. At any rate, I mostly shoot Production and Limited 10. As I started in this sport, I was much less concerned with the "rules" as they pertained to bending as I was with, let's just get bullets down range safely and work on technique. Because in my opinion 95% of shooting is the shooter. Now I'm starting to make sure I've got all my i's dotted and T's crossed as far as rules go, and keeping up with what's happening. I'm getting somewhat confused about one thing in particular. Why the big division between SA and DA for production? Yes I've read all the recent threads about cocking, and Springfield and Glock... forget all that for a moment. Shouldn't production be just that? A gun you can buy from a major manufacturer that sells X number of those guns in a given year. Who cares if is SA, DA, Selective action, Glock... whatever. Hell I think we've only seen the start of the "name the action of this gun" game. Glock was smart enough to term and create "Safe Action" Springfield was stupid enough to call theirs SA even though it's the same damn thing as Glock. What I'm trying to point out is, why even fight over it? I guess I don't understand why Production in the first place was limited to DA guns? We aren't talking super blasters here... we are talking walk into your local gun store and purchase an off the shelf pistol to compete with. Doesn't Production already specifically say you can do very little mods to the guns? Are we worried that manufacturers would then build specific guns that were "factory" but with all the good stuff already done? If so why not make sure that X number of that gun is sold in the country? AND if the intent is for production to be for DA guns, then why allow Glock? I know it's not a SA gun, but it is a "Safe Action" gun, and Safe Action does not equal DA. I guess what I'm asking is WHY? I don't understand the division in Production.

I got a 6" piece of pipe which fits my hand much better. However I loaded some ammo last night to try it out. The 3/4" dia plastic pipe was a little small, I found that a motorcycle/bike hand grips fits fine. Much more comfortable and free, at least for me. I found the only thing you have to make sure is that you suffeciently tighten the elbow on the handle. When seating the primer, you are pushing the elbow in the counter clockwise direction to loosen it. As long as you have it tight enough, it works great! I can see why so many people love the roller handle. Thanks again!

Thanks for the great idea!! I went out yesterday and got the parts. Like an id10t I took the plastic ball with me to match up threads.... DON'T DO THIS. The ball will not thread onto standard 3/8" pipe thread, however the pipe thread fits fine on the handle. I got 1 90 deg elbow a 6" long nipple (I have large hands) and end cap. Home Depot gave me the 5.25" piece of 3/4" plastic pipe for free. Total $ 3.04! Works like a champ too! THANKS!!

I agree too expensive. I've been searching hardware stores looking for a handle that will fit the 7/16" head of the bolt. No luck so far, but I WILL find one eventually. There are a lot of handles in the plumbing section of hardware stores. They usually cost around $2 or less.

Not sure what I'm missing, but those numbers don't seem to jive with what I've got for data for Universal and a 230grn plated bullet out of a 5" barrel?? Even Hodgdon's site has different numbers. At 6.0 grains of Universal with a 230grn plated bullet (very close to speer TMJ) loaded to 1.260 I'm getting 760 fps. That chart shows my load at almost 1000 fps? What am I missing?

My load data. This is in a 5" CZ 97b. 230grn Plated (Berrys) at OAL 1.260 5.8grn Universal for 168 PF 200grn Plated (Berrys) SWC loaded to OAL 1.245 6.3grn Universal for 167 PF 185grn plated (Berrys) SWC loaded to OAL 1.225 6.8grn Universal for 168 PF I have 230grn FMJ load data, but not with me. I'll try to remember when I'm home. I think 4.5grn of Titegroup got me there for 230FMJ just for comparison.

Just recently got a Berry's Mfg tumbler and their new media separator. So far I've been very happy. 1000 9mm cases fit no problem. It is also pretty darn quiet in comparison to the lyman I have used. I got the whole package deal which included the tumbler, rotary media separator, 5gal bucket, 6lbs of corn cob and brass polish. The media separator is awesome! I really like how it has a top and bottom. I don't get any dust using it. J.R.

I'm interested also. I usually load my Berrys and Montana Gold to 1.260 How about a 125PF load for 124grn Montana Gold 9mm load with Titegroup? I usually load those 1.150