Graham Smith Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 What you may find is that a Glock just does not physically fit you or your shooting style - I know some very good shooters that can shoot a Glock well and other very good shooters that cannot. If you can shoot another gun, with a different grip width or angle or shape or feel or any of a dozen other things better, then get rid of the Glock and get that gun instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc2125 Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 I very recently found that my new G34 can deliver slightly tighter groups than my new sti eagle did off the bench @ 27 yards. With stock sights however, I could not outshoot the eagle with the 34........needed the smaller front fiber sight to get nice tight groups at longer ranges. 3 shot groups @ 27 yards averaged around 1 5/8" with a few different factory loads. Shooting off a v-notched wood block, nothing fancy. My G22 makes slightly larger groups, around 2 to 2.5" and my G35 makes around 2" groups.......none have factory sights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagger02 Posted August 18, 2008 Author Share Posted August 18, 2008 Man, Thanks for all the help. I have some really good feedback to work with. You all have given me a lot to think about. I really need to let someone that knows Glocks shoot it and tell me what he thinks. I'm not going to give up just don't want to spend a ton of money. Thanks Steve Tx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atmar Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 before you give up, send the gun to CHARLIE VANEK for some great trigger work. i am so sure this will solve ALL your accuracy problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagger02 Posted August 19, 2008 Author Share Posted August 19, 2008 before you give up, send the gun to CHARLIE VANEK for some great trigger work. i am so sure this will solve ALL your accuracy problems. Does he have a web site? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 before you give up, send the gun to CHARLIE VANEK for some great trigger work. i am so sure this will solve ALL your accuracy problems. Does he have a web site? Thanks Yes and he is a Forum Dealer. Vanek Custom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atmar Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 you wont regret it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagger02 Posted August 20, 2008 Author Share Posted August 20, 2008 try some 124 XTP bullets over 231 powder1.140 and 4.5 grains 231 its about as accurate as it gets I'm wondering if my OAL is too short. I usually seat at 1.125 and go down as low as 1.100. I have only been loading the 9mm for about 6 months and still working with the loads. I like VV320. I also load a lot of Clays and have found Titegroup to be a little to hot. Maybe it is the length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lugnut Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 Hello: I would try some 147 grain Precision bullets. The Glock 34 I had loved those bullets and was very accurate as well. I did have to bump the power factor up to 137 or so for them to work very accurately. At 126PF they just kind of went out there with groups of 8" or so at 25 yards free hand. At 137PF they would shoot sub 2" groups at 25 yards. I would play around with your loads a bit then buy the 147 grain bullets and don't look back. Thanks, Eric That kind of difference is amazing... I would never expect that much variation from such small differences in PF. Have other shooters noticed that same things? I use 4.5 gr W231, 124gr Berrys at 1.130" COL. I'm switching to MG 124gr CMJ but haven't tested grouping with these bullets. I can't imagine that kind of variation though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odie Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 Mix in some training rounds with live ammo, have a buddy do it so you don't know where they are in the mag. Shoot some groups. You'll answer 2 questions very quickly, having spent very little money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 before you give up, send the gun to CHARLIE VANEK for some great trigger work. i am so sure this will solve ALL your accuracy problems. Honestly, I'm not. No offense intended. Trigger pull weight is just a small part of the equation. No change to the gun is going to buy good technique which is really where it's at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARDOG Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I routinely can shoot a pepper popper at 145 mt drawing from holster, not every time, but say 8times out of ten, with a plain serrated .100 front sight and a dawson rear with my g34. with my competition recipe of 145grs nickel plated rn and 3.6grs of n320 I shot one ragged hole at 10 yds and 1.5inches from sandbags at 25 yds. For me the g34 is amazingly accurate, but maybe I'm lucky because mine has tighter tolerances than other glocks I owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atmar Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Honestly, I'm not. No offense intended. Trigger pull weight is just a small part of the equation. No change to the gun is going to buy good technique which is really where it's at. i recommended it bcos most shooters coming from a 1911 will have a harder time w/ the glock trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootingirons45 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 In the main I agree with Duane. In my experiences I've seen folks try to buy skill and it never does work. A sound, proper understanding and execution of the fundementals is critical. Then if one feels the need for add on's by all means experiment. For the record I have Vanek triggers in all my "play" Glocks. The carry glocks are all stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texan Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I shoot a glock 34 also,and first worked on the trigger for better groups.then i put in a barsto barrel,then tryed 147gr precision bullets with wsf powder.Thats when i found out there is such a thing as too accurate.It's cost me some points in matchs becouse two shoots in one hole that looked like one shot.Are the plate matchs your talking about at dpc by chance?That's were i shoot.My name is rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 This is a fun thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Any suggestions before I go trade it in on another gun. Nah. Trade's good. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagger02 Posted August 22, 2008 Author Share Posted August 22, 2008 Any suggestions before I go trade it in on another gun. Nah. Trade's good. No trade, I want let it get the best of me. I just loaded some more 115 HP with N320 and changed my OAL to 1.140. Going off what the VV load data suggest to see if it changes anything. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagger02 Posted August 22, 2008 Author Share Posted August 22, 2008 In the main I agree with Duane. In my experiences I've seen folks try to buy skill and it never does work. A sound, proper understanding and execution of the fundementals is critical. Then if one feels the need for add on's by all means experiment. For the record I have Vanek triggers in all my "play" Glocks. The carry glocks are all stock. Do you like the Vanek trigger? I will change a few things latter on down the road. For now I want to understand what I'm doing wrong. It's the little things in life that drives you nuts. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lugnut Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 (edited) This is a fun thread. I'm taking a wild guess and assuming you're being facetious. But I'm not sure what you may be referring to. Edited August 22, 2008 by lugnut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootingirons45 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Do you like the Vanek trigger? I will change a few things latter on down the road. For now I want to understand what I'm doing wrong. It's the little things in life that drives you nuts.Steve Hi Steve..yes, I like the Vanek trigger. I will say that I'm glad that I waited until I got a good sense of where the Glock trigger "broke" before I bought Charlies trigger. For now, do as many do..a 3.5 connector, a wolf reduced power spring and polish the contact points. These will stand you in good stead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I had chrono'd Glocks many times at past Area Championships, long ago. Never seemed to like them until I bought my own G34. I was horribly surprised, it was the most accurate factory gun I've ever picked up. After a bit of Trigger work I really like it. If you're still looking for a gunsmith, Benny Hill is in Corpus Christi. Does good work on 1911's, probably could help with a Glock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagger02 Posted August 23, 2008 Author Share Posted August 23, 2008 I had chrono'd Glocks many times at past Area Championships, long ago. Never seemed to like them until I bought my own G34. I was horribly surprised, it was the most accurate factory gun I've ever picked up. After a bit of Trigger work I really like it.If you're still looking for a gunsmith, Benny Hill is in Corpus Christi. Does good work on 1911's, probably could help with a Glock. What bullet and OAL were you using? I'm thinking some of my problem is with my loads. Thanks Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 23, 2008 Share Posted August 23, 2008 I am thinking your G34 will shoot just about anything pretty well. Trigger control would be a good place to focus your energies. If you really think it is something besides you, then see post #24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cessna_Driver Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 I had some accuracy issues as you describe with a well used and worn G34 I purchased from another shooter here in AZ. I am not bragging, but I am a ferly damned good pistol shot, and this '34 wouldn't shoot as I thought it should. My Glock 26 would shoot circles around it. It was enough of a bargain at $350 with 6 mags, that investing another $160 in a Lone Wolf barrel wasn't out of the question. As soon as I dropped the new tube in, the gun went from 7"-8" at 25yds to 3"-3 1/4" at the same distance offhand. Off the bags it would tighten up to 2 1/2 - 2 3/4"....IF I was doing my part. OTOH...if you want shut of it....get an XD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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