InTheBlack Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 When I draw, there is a 'wobbling' or 'figure 8-ing' of the muzzle prior to my being able to get it indexed on target with a sight picture. However, when I do a reload, I slap in the magazine, regain my grip, and when I rotate the gun back to vertical usually the sights are right in front of my eye and the muzzle is nicely indexed on the target (but with some vertical motion that needs to be stilled). This is an IDPA draw/equipment, not some slick rig. Hints on getting the draw stabilized faster? I perceive that I have somewhat of a Weaver alignment of my arm, ie the gun isn't in front of my sternum but somewhat to the strong side. The act of drawing requires a Bill Jordan type sideways hip rock, so I'm thinking that the problem has to do with getting my body straightened again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 This may seem counterintuitive but you have to slow down the draw at the end. All the speed is getting your hand to hit, clearing the holster, and getting it out in front of you. At that point, you smoothly present it to the target. It feels horribly slow the first several times you try it, but the first hit is better and the timer doesn't lie, it is faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 What Erik said. Basically, the draw is a continuously-decreasing-speed motion. Get all the excess motion, like getting your upper body back in alignment, over with as soon as possible so by the time the gun is pushing out nothing is moving but the gun. And then practice forever. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevepitt Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 You might also try to work the draw backwards. 1) From a ready position, push the gun out softly like others mentioned. When you have this down. 2) Holster the gun, hand on gun, draw, push gun out softly. 3) Gun holstered, hands off gun, put it all together. Repeat as necessary This helped me a lot.... Start a slow speed to get the technique, then speed up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcoliver Posted October 23, 2002 Share Posted October 23, 2002 Quick q, when doing the last phase of slowing down, I take it your trigger finger is already on the trigger if not prepping it already for the first shot, right? Reason I ask is because recently I've been trying to pay attention to my triger finger. Trying to feel at w/c instant it makes contact with the trigger. I realized it never does until after I acquired a sight pricture. So I'm experimenting with the trigger prep during presentation and cut about .1sec in my dry fire draws. I'm wary, however, of AD's so it'll be several days more of dry fires before I try it at the range. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 That's how I do it. It's important to realize however that, although I'm on the trigger before the gun stops moving, this does NOT happen before the gun is horizontal and pointed at the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 Quote: from Million Mom on 5:20 pm on Dec. 15, 2002 I always trained for reality, and the reality is that if you have to make a truly fast draw and shoot a man, it will probably be at the range of 3 ft or less, and you will gut-shoot him. Or you will be engaging an attacking dog. So I always taught myself to disengage the safety, and "finger' the trigger, BEFORE clapping the support hand on the gun, but of course, that's after the gun comes-level, and is started on its forward journey. Quite often, guys arent applying the support hand-arm tension as the gun comes up, but rather, they do so at the point when they should be firing. So the gun wobbles from the change in tension on it. The tension being applied earlier, helps you to stop the draw stroke where you will, with the trigger "set" to be tripped at that instant. Yeah but that will likley get you sent home from a match early, the later you get on the trigger the better. I don't touch it 'til I'm at extension, you can't win if your forced to leave early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Million Mom Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 Naturally, one does not push for ultimate speed in a match, until one is an ultimate speedster. You know very well that at the very top, even .05 second per draw and hit sequence, will add up in a major tournament, if there are a lot of draws,and the ranges are close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 You won't lose any time by getting on it later rather than sooner. I've shot with the top dogs, and I know their fingers aren't on the trigger til the last possible moment, pretty much right at extension,give or take an inch or two. Theres no point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 I guess we've come a long way since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deaf Smith Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 Pat, This sounds awfully like Gunkid, but without the HIGHCAPS in his post. Phawk tells me he is on Libertyfront board now after being kicked off all the others. Deaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 Mom: Please enlighten me. What is your purpose here? (Edited by Ron Ankeny at 4:11 pm on Dec. 16, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted December 16, 2002 Share Posted December 16, 2002 "when if you actually carry one, it has to be inside the waistband" Actually I carry a full-sized Government Model on a daily basis in an on-the-belt Blade-Tech Standard Belt Holster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deaf Smith Posted December 17, 2002 Share Posted December 17, 2002 I have found in both IDPA and IPSC that most stages run at least 3 targets and a majority over that. As a result, speed at transitioning is more important than a fast draw. So, good hand to gun contact pays off. You will also note most stages are at a longer range than hand shaking distance, so you will in all probabilty bring your gun to eye level anyway, so hip shooting has no real value. Make sure you have the 'perfect' grip when drawing as if you do not, you will have to keep shooting with the poor grip and that will affect times and scores in either IDPA or IPSC. Deaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted December 17, 2002 Share Posted December 17, 2002 MM: Again I have to remind you that this is a competition forum, we don't use inside the wasteband holsters so this is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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