dmshozer1 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Watched a PCC shooter shoot all 5 strings every stage with one 33 rd Glock mag. Legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackinSD Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Why wouldn't it be? But, yes it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdawgbeav Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Steel Challenge magazine capacity follows the USPSA equipment rules. Had some production shooters at a match try to get away with more than 10 in their mags... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmshozer1 Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 On 1/3/2018 at 10:06 AM, dmshozer1 said: Watched a PCC shooter shoot all 5 strings every stage with one 33 rd Glock mag. Legal? Really confused now, One reply says yes, the other says no? I do not see anything in the rule book about mag capacity. Under "Scoring" the book says shoot as many rounds as necessary to complete the string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, dmshozer1 said: Really confused now, One reply says yes, the other says no? I do not see anything in the rule book about mag capacity. Under "Scoring" the book says shoot as many rounds as necessary to complete the string. Magazine capacity is covered in Appendix D of USPSA rules. PCC has no length or capacity limits. If a person was shooting in Production they are only allowed to load to 10 rounds per magazine same with Limited 10 division. Open and Limited division are only limited by magazine length, not capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmshozer1 Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 35 minutes ago, HoMiE said: Magazine capacity is covered in Appendix D of USPSA rules. PCC has no length or capacity limits. If a person was shooting in Production they are only allowed to load to 10 rounds per magazine same with Limited 10 division. Open and Limited division are only limited by magazine length, not capacity. Thanks, So the Steel Challenge rules are different than USPSA Steel Challenge rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 46 minutes ago, dmshozer1 said: Thanks, So the Steel Challenge rules are different than USPSA Steel Challenge rules? Steel challenge is Governed by the USPSA and has been since 2008 ( I believe). Steel challenge is another discipline under USPSA just like multigun is also part of USPSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmshozer1 Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, stick said: Steel challenge is Governed by the USPSA and has been since 2008 ( I believe). Steel challenge is another discipline under USPSA just like multigun is also part of USPSA. Thanks, I looked under the SCSA rule book, It is different than the USPSA rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 hours ago, dmshozer1 said: Thanks, I looked under the SCSA rule book, It is different than the USPSA rules. ...not for magazine capacity, really. The SCSA rulebook here: https://steelchallenge.com/steel-challenge-Rules-Home.php ....in Appendix H, specifically lists the magazine max sizes and capacities for each of the divisions. For example, H3.9 says "Yes, maximum 10 rounds loaded in any magazine after the start signal" for Production division while H10.5 in the section listed as "maximum magazine capacity" says "No." for PCC. Those appendices MOSTLY come straight from the USPSA division requirements, which is why people have been saying USPSA Appendix D. That being said, with the new ruleset now out (yay!) the division equipment requirements are specifically listed in the SCSA rulebook, so you don't have to look elsewhere. PCC and Open have no capacity limits. PCC doesn't even have a magazine length limit. Other divisions differ in whether or not they have mag length or mag capacity limits. All are spelled out in the rulebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmshozer1 Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Thomas H said: ...not for magazine capacity, really. The SCSA rulebook here: https://steelchallenge.com/steel-challenge-Rules-Home.php ....in Appendix H, specifically lists the magazine max sizes and capacities for each of the divisions. For example, H3.9 says "Yes, maximum 10 rounds loaded in any magazine after the start signal" for Production division while H10.5 in the section listed as "maximum magazine capacity" says "No." for PCC. Those appendices MOSTLY come straight from the USPSA division requirements, which is why people have been saying USPSA Appendix D. That being said, with the new ruleset now out (yay!) the division equipment requirements are specifically listed in the SCSA rulebook, so you don't have to look elsewhere. PCC and Open have no capacity limits. PCC doesn't even have a magazine length limit. Other divisions differ in whether or not they have mag length or mag capacity limits. All are spelled out in the rulebook. Got it, Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpierrat Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 and frankly I see no advantage/ disadvantage to allowing stock magazines to be loaded to capacity.... 15,17 etc as long as they are production length. would make it easier for new shooters to participate with less than 5 mags. If you used more than 10 rds in a string then that is not going to be a good time anyway, so why limit to 10 rds in production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtimelarry Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 (edited) I got a buddy that one of the ranges he shoots Steel Challenge at, they Don't paint after every shooter, so in Production he says he loads 15 rounds in his Mags. He says if they Dont follow SCSA rules and paint after Every Shooter, why should he follow the 10 rounds in a Mag rule.. Edited May 15, 2018 by bigtimelarry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, bigtimelarry said: I got a buddy that one of the ranges he shoots Steel Challenge at, they Don't paint after every shooter, so in Production he says he loads 15 rounds in his Mags. He says if they Dont follow SCSA rules and paint after Every Shooter, why should he follow the 10 rounds in a Mag rule.. Your friend should request the plates to be painted. If I go shoot somewhere and they don’t always paint in between shooters I ask if I can get them painted. Nobody has every told me no. If clubs are not following rules, go to the match director. If you get no response, so to your area director. Take it up to uspsa hq if you have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 hour ago, bigtimelarry said: I got a buddy that one of the ranges he shoots Steel Challenge at, they Don't paint after every shooter, so in Production he says he loads 15 rounds in his Mags. He says if they Dont follow SCSA rules and paint after Every Shooter, why should he follow the 10 rounds in a Mag rule.. I just love seeing videos on Facebook or Youtube of someone shooting unpainted plates. I'll normally post a snarky remark asking if that was practice session. If they reply it's from a match then I remind them about the requirement to paint plates. I also under if these ranges ignore other rules such as a dropped gun or breaking the 180. I'll withhold comment about your buddy ignoring the capacity limitation in Production. I'm certain it's just an oversight that happened one time and you advised him to only load 10 going forward. It shouldn't ever happen again, I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtimelarry Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 (edited) Is it a rule they have to paint the plates for each shooter or can the club just say it takes too much time or uses too much paint ? I just wonder if you get a miss but it might of edged the plate, how will you know ? Edited May 15, 2018 by bigtimelarry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, bigtimelarry said: Is it a rule they have to paint the plates for each shooter or can the club just say it takes too much time or uses too much paint ? I just wonder if you get a miss but it might of edged the plate, how will you know ? If they are the type of plates which fall to the ground it is a local rule that we bitch at the guy who makes us handle sticky wet painted plates at a local match. Otherwise they get painted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 4 hours ago, bigtimelarry said: Is it a rule they have to paint the plates for each shooter or can the club just say it takes too much time or uses too much paint ? I just wonder if you get a miss but it might of edged the plate, how will you know ? Yes sir, 5.5 in the 2018 rule set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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