ngodwetrust21 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 So here is the question. One stock 2 I use exclusively for practice. The other is used exclusively for matches and I use federal primers for match ammo with it. Has anyone had any luck with using the 10lb hammer spring reliably with federal primers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo929 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Yes. The Lim Pro I have listed in classifieds I have been using a 10lb PD hammer spring. However it would not run with the 10lb hammer spring and the PD bolo. Have to up it to 12 if using a bolo. At least for my guns. 10lb with factory disconnecter made mine around 4.5lbs DA and sub 2lbs SA. So much lighter than necessary. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngodwetrust21 Posted November 25, 2017 Author Share Posted November 25, 2017 12 minutes ago, kujo929 said: Yes. The Lim Pro I have listed in classifieds I have been using a 10lb PD hammer spring. However it would not run with the 10lb hammer spring and the PD bolo. Have to up it to 12 if using a bolo. At least for my guns. 10lb with factory disconnecter made mine around 4.5lbs DA and sub 2lbs SA. So much lighter than necessary. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Thank you sir! I’ll try out the 12# for the match gun since I have the bolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalShooter69 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) I run 10# in two guns with 100% success, using Win primers. Two things need to happen: 1. Tune your bolo for longer DA stroke by removing material from the nose. 2. Your primers need to be .008-.010" deep. Preferably with an indentation mark. The bolo is not preventing the use of a 10# spring - the tune/set-up is. Edited November 25, 2017 by SoCalShooter69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, SoCalShooter69 said: I run 10# in two guns with 100% success, using Win primers. Two things need to happen: 1. Tune your bolo for longer DA stroke by removing material from the nose. 2. Your primers need to be .008-.010" deep. Preferably with an indentation mark. The bolo is not preventing the use of a 10# spring - the tune/set-up is. This man knows...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbu Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I ran the PD 10# hammer spring for about 1000 rounds. I was 100% with Federals, Winchester AND BOLO. But it was too light. i was getting 3# 10oz DA and 15 oz SA. Trust me on this.... 15 oz SA is too light !! With the near zero trigger motion of the bolo ... it was spooky light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngodwetrust21 Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 24 minutes ago, johnbu said: I ran the PD 10# hammer spring for about 1000 rounds. I was 100% with Federals, Winchester AND BOLO. But it was too light. i was getting 3# 10oz DA and 15 oz SA. Trust me on this.... 15 oz SA is too light !! With the near zero trigger motion of the bolo ... it was spooky light. Great info. Thanks for this. Keeping the match gun around a 5lb DA and 2lb SA is plenty good enough for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I run a 15.5 PD hammer spring with a well broken in and polished Stock ll. It has a sub 6 pound DA and very sub 2 pound SA. Hits properly seated Winchester, S&B, Fiocchi and of course Federal primers. I ran the 14 pound spring but had some light strikes at bad times. I'm sure it was primer seating problems. I went to the 15.5 to make things easier. My current problem is seating primers too deep. Turns out .014" is crushed too much and will not fire. Now to get the right feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngodwetrust21 Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 I have a 550. Don’t know how I could adjust primer seating. Afraid I will have to stick to a good polish job and springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalShooter69 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, zombywoof said: I run a 15.5 PD hammer spring with a well broken in and polished Stock ll. It has a sub 6 pound DA and very sub 2 pound SA. Hits properly seated Winchester, S&B, Fiocchi and of course Federal primers. I ran the 14 pound spring but had some light strikes at bad times. I'm sure it was primer seating problems. I went to the 15.5 to make things easier. My current problem is seating primers too deep. Turns out .014" is crushed too much and will not fire. Now to get the right feel. Sort your brass by headstamp. 2 hours ago, ngodwetrust21 said: I have a 550. Don’t know how I could adjust primer seating. Afraid I will have to stick to a good polish job and springs. @memphismechanic Edited November 26, 2017 by SoCalShooter69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbu Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 On 11/25/2017 at 7:42 PM, zombywoof said: My current problem is seating primers too deep. Turns out .014" is crushed too much and will not fire. Now to get the right feel. Anything over 0.010 deep is boarderline crushed. some brands have more fragile chemical mix than others. Wolf seems to go "not deep enough, not deep enough.... crushed!" Winchester seems to be much more tolerant. As "Socalshooter69" said, sort by headstamp and seat them all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) On 11/25/2017 at 10:07 PM, SoCalShooter69 said: Sort your brass by headstamp. Forget that noise. Add two pounds of hammer spring weight. Every GM running a Tanfo that I know of is running a 5-6+ pound trigger. Put a 13,14, or 15 pounder in the gun and practice during all the time those B class kids spend chasing the perfect trigger and picking through their brass. A 6.25 pound DA is really freaking shootable. Step away from the workbench and dryfire. Quote @memphismechanic I’ve never touched a 550. Don’t know if you can shim the seating punch like the 650. Edited November 27, 2017 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 4 hours ago, MemphisMechanic said: Forget that noise. Add two pounds of hammer spring weight. Every GM running a Tanfo that I know of is running a 5-6+ pound trigger. Put a 13,14, or 15 pounder in the gun and practice during all the time those B class kids spend chasing the perfect trigger and picking through their brass. A 6.25 pound DA is really freaking shootable. Step away from the workbench and dryfire. I’ve never touched a 550. Don’t know if you can shim the seating punch like the 650. Yea, I got the 650 so I didn't have to sort. Yea, I can seat primers to .014" with a 650 unmodified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasthenk65 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 I run EGD Xtreme light and except russian primers it does it all... Without to much polishing (if that exists) I do handprime and crush them deep.... For matches I use federal just to be sure. My PD 14 spring ignites also the russians... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunez Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 5 hours ago, MemphisMechanic said: Forget that noise. Add two pounds of hammer spring weight. Every GM running a Tanfo that I know of is running a 5-6+ pound trigger. Put a 13,14, or 15 pounder in the gun and practice during all the time those B class kids spend chasing the perfect trigger and picking through their brass. A 6.25 pound DA is really freaking shootable. Step away from the workbench and dryfire. Completely agree with this! I'm a shitty Master in Production and run a 13# with confidence shooting factory Federal ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 5 hours ago, MemphisMechanic said: Forget that noise. Add two pounds of hammer spring weight. Every GM running a Tanfo that I know of is running a 5-6+ pound trigger. Put a 13,14, or 15 pounder in the gun and practice during all the time those B class kids spend chasing the perfect trigger and picking through their brass. A 6.25 pound DA is really freaking shootable. Step away from the workbench and dryfire. I’ve never touched a 550. Don’t know if you can shim the seating punch like the 650. Yup , mine is 6 pound da and 2 pound sa. Plenty light if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanb Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I’m in the same boat. 6/2 with a 13 lb spring. Unless I’m a dumbass with Winchester’s it lights everything. I’ve even tried some wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Nathanb said: I’m in the same boat. 6/2 with a 13 lb spring. Unless I’m a dumbass with Winchester’s it lights everything. I’ve even tried some wolf I'm going to try some S&Bs. have about 5 K and see if I can light it. good practice primers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 S&B are a pinch harder than Winchesters in my estimation. Much easier to ignite than CCI. Cheap, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngodwetrust21 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 18 hours ago, MemphisMechanic said: I’ve never touched a 550. Don’t know if you can shim the seating punch like the 650. If I remember correctly, I ran across you saying to do this a while back and you had posted a picture of what you did. It was awhile ago, but I remember trying to do it and it wouldn’t work with a 550. Regardless, would you mind linking me to that again so I can give it one more go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 No idea where the link is... but the 650 has bracket that the primer seating punch runs into on the downstroke. Sliding a washer under it as a shim causes it to sit up higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 On 11/27/2017 at 11:47 AM, MemphisMechanic said: Forget that noise. Add two pounds of hammer spring weight. Every GM running a Tanfo that I know of is running a 5-6+ pound trigger. Put a 13,14, or 15 pounder in the gun and practice during all the time those B class kids spend chasing the perfect trigger and picking through their brass. A 6.25 pound DA is really freaking shootable. Step away from the workbench and dryfire. This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngodwetrust21 Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, B_RAD said: This! I know a couple GMs myself. I don’t believe at all that a 5 lb da trigger and 2lb sa trigger is going to take someone to the next level. The GMs I know have good enough trigger control that managing a 7lb da trigger and a 3lb sa trigger wouldn’t be a problem at all. This is precisely why I like to practice with a heavy trigger in both live fire and dry fire. However, given the option of using a 5lb da trigger/ 2lb sa trigger and a 7lb da trigger/ 3lb sa trigger for a match gun. I think the answer is obvious. If dropping the trigger pull doesn't matter, why do we even fool with all the polishing and swapping out springs at all? They seem to pop every primer I can think of straight out of the factory... Edited November 29, 2017 by ngodwetrust21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo929 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 As long as it pops every primer you need it to then trigger pull is preference only. Of course someone can be good with most anything but when you train you will likely find you prefer triggers in one pull Range more than others. Whether that is lighter or heavier is up to you. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) 38 minutes ago, ngodwetrust21 said: I know a couple GMs myself. I don’t believe at all that a 5 lb da trigger and 2lb sa trigger is going to take someone to the next level. The GMs I know have good enough trigger control that managing a 7lb da trigger and a 3lb sa trigger wouldn’t be a problem at all. This is precisely why I like to practice with a heavy trigger in both live fire and dry fire. However, given the option of using a 5lb da trigger/ 2lb sa trigger and a 7lb da trigger/ 3lb sa trigger for a match gun. I think the answer is obvious. If dropping the trigger pull doesn't matter, why do we even fool with all the polishing and swapping out springs at all? They seem to pop every primer I can think of straight out of the factory... Nobody is saying don't clean up and/or lighten. I'm just agreeing with @MemphisMechanic that a 10# hammer spring isn't worth it. Way too many problems vs any benefits. The time spent twiddling would be far more beneficial spent practicing. I've got a stock 2 that I'm borrowing from a friend that's got a 12# trigger (everything is stock) and I can dry fire it in DA all day long without disrupting the front sight. I actually think tanfos have the best DA pull/feel. For my taste at least. I shoot a CZ. I'm almost a GM. Edited November 29, 2017 by B_RAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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