American Select load data

[radny97]

After attending a regional match i learned that several competitors prefer to run American Select powder with Bayou Bullets, so i decided to give it a try. I’ll be trying it in 38 special first (have lots of loaded 9mm on hand at the moment). But I’m having some trouble finding load data. Anyone willing to share their recipes? Bullet is 160 gn RN. Thanks.

 

 

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[8ring]

Hello: I use American Select with lead and coated bullets in .38 special.  The data from the Alliant 2004 online reloading manual shows a max load of 4.3 gr. under a 158 gr.  lswc and 4.7 gr.  under a 125 gr lead round nose.  If you will send me a PM, I will send you a copy of the 2004 alliant manual and my chronological results from my gp-100.   It might take a few days cause I'm in the hospital right now post knee replacement surgery. 

[Scootertheshooter]

Must be others out there using this I’m interested as well in the info


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[Joe4d]

Ladder I did yesterday. Gun was a 5 " pro series S&W 686. 
Range brass 38spc.
Powder American Select.
WSP primers,
1.450 OAL
147 Grain moly .358 Precision bullet LTC,
7 shots each.

3.8 grs,  Av 781 SD 19
4.0grs    AV 835   SD 15
4.2 grs,  Av 851   SD 10
4.4 grs,   AV 882   SD 7.2.

Seems to like a fuller case volume,, looks like would be pretty decent at 130 pf,, probably not so good at 105.
Basically just burning the stuff up in practice ammo,, loaded a bunch of cowboy loads in 44 magnum brass but havent choronoed them. Dotn really like the way it meters , flakes are kinda big,   My go to powders are Tight group and WST. 
I think whenI use up my stock of that I will try Alliant Sport Pistol.   Plus I need at least one more powder in the Power Pistol  burn rate range but lower flash, something for 40 and 357 pin loads, and medium 44 mag. Right now have some HS6 to try. I also have old reliable 2400 but seems like I can do what 2400 can do with a bit faster powder as my 44 mag and 357 are 5"

[8ring]

Here is some of my American Select load data.  The firearm is a GP-100 with a 4.2 inch barrel that I use in IDPA SSR.  All cases are .38 spl.  

 

GP-100 MATCH CHAMPION – 4.2” barrel

 

158 GR MISSOURI RNFP COATED

WIN CASES, FED SP MATCH PRIMERS

1.287” OAL

4.3 GR AMERICAN SELECT

 

LO   886

HI    936

AV   899

ES   49

SD   21

 

PF= 142

 

158GR MISSOURI RNFP COATED

WIN CASES, FED SP MATCH PRIMERS

1.287” OAL

4.1      AMERICAN SELECT

 

LO   870               843

HI    891               902

AV   883               875

ES   21.1              59

SD   7.28              17.71

 

PF = 139.5

 

150GR BONUS CHINA CAMP LEAD ROUND NOSE FLAT POINT (VERY NARROW DRIVING BAND)

FED SP PRIMERS

1.43 INCHES

 

4.4      GR AMERICAN SELECT

LO   978

HI    1024

AV   1003

ES      46

SD      17.6

PF = 150.45

 

4.7 gr American Select

125gr Round Nose FP Missouri

Fed Small Pistol

 

       WIN CASES                  FED CASES

 

HI    1047                     1024

LO   1028                       992                   

AV   1037                     1015

ES      19                              32

SD        6                               12

 

125 gr SNS Coated Round Nose

Lyman M Die – Fed SP Magnum old batch red box

Starline Brass

4.6 gr American Select

1.491

 

HI    1038

LO   1014

AV   1025

ES      24

SD        8

 

pf 128.125

 

THIS WILL BE MY IDPA LOAD UNLESS I GET BETTER RESULTS WITH THE 148 GR EGGLESTON ROUND NOSE BULLETS.

 

(ACCORDING TO THE ALLIANT 2004 LOAD DATA, 4.7 GR. OF AMERICAN SELECT IS THE MAXIMUM STANDARD PRESSURE .38 SPECIAL LOAD WITH 125 GR. LEAD BULLETS.  YOU CAN PROBABLY BUMP THIS UP BY A COUPLE OF TENTHS IF YOU ARE SHOOTING A .357 MAGNUM REVOLVER.)

 

BONUS INFO REGARDING VV N-310 IN .38 SPECIAL!

 

WARNING!  THIS IS AN "OFF-LABEL" USE OF N-310 IN .38 SPECIAL AND IS NOT BASED ON ANY PUBLISHED DATA.  WORK UP WITH CAUTION.  THE LOADS SEEMED QUITE MILD AND HAD NO PRESSURE SIGNS.  THAT SAID, USE THESE ONLY IN A .357 MAGNUM REVOLVER. 

 

 

158gr Missouri LRNFP w/ Alox

 

3.6gr N-310

Starline Brass – Fed SP Match Primer

 

Low:       817               823

High        843.8             860

Av.         832               837

ES          26.82            36.35

SD          10.53            12.76

PF           131.4             132.24

 

3.3 gr N-310

 

Low:       773               774

High        792               794.8

Av:         778.2             782 

ES          18.97            20.89

SD             6.78              8.86

PF           123               123.5

 

 I WILL POST DATA IN A FEW WEEKS REGARDING 148GR ROUND NOSE EGGLESTON BULLETS IN .38 SPECIAL.

 

 

 

 

 

[zzt]

Joe, try Ramshot Silhouette powder.  It is PP burn speed with almost no flash.  I'd say no flash, because I haven't ever seen one with Sil, but there might be a tad.  Really clean as well.

[Joe4d]

I'll check out some data on it.. Got so many different types of powder now I need to go through. 
Looks like American select isnt working too well till u get up near its max loadings. Might have to chrono my 44 loads. Press is set up for 38 though, and I will probably load 1000 or so of the 38's at 4.5 and shoot for groups, see what I get. 

[radny97]

Thanks guys! I’m going to bench rest test some American Select loads and will post as well.


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[radny97]

Alright here’s some results from experimenting with American Select in 38 special loads:

 

Out of a GP100 4 inch barrel:

 

160 gn Bayou RN

3.7 gn Am.Sel.

Avg. Vel.: 759.2 fps

Hi: 777

Lo: 739

Std Dev: 12.69

 

138 gn Bayou WC

4.2 gn Am. Sel.

Avg Vel: 953.6

Hi: 970

Lo: 937

Std Dev: 12.91

 

I also did some bench rest accuracy testing. The following groups are all at 25 yards from a rest open sights. This is comparing several powders using the same brand primer, same headstamp of brass, same bullet. Light taper crimp. Same OAL of 1.487 for the RNs. (Forgot to measure the OAL for the WCs.) Groups are measured from center to center, measured in inches.

 

I shot all the 160 gn Bayou RN from a S&W 627 PC 5 inch barrel. 8 shot groups.

4.0 gn of Am. Sel.: 1 and 13/16ths

4.0 gn of VV320: 2 and 7/16ths

3.8 gn of Bullseye: 3 and 5/16ths

4.0 gn of W231: 3 inches

 

I shot all the 138 gn Bayou WC from a Dan Wesson 715 6 inch barrel. 6 shot groups

4.2 gn of Am. Sel.: 1 and 5/16ths

4.4 gn of VV320: 2 and 3/16ths

4.3 gn of Bullseye: 2 and 2/16ths

4.3 gn of W231: 2 and 6/16ths

 

The VV320 had the least flash and recoil. The other three were all about the same. Accuracy testing was done blind (meaning i didn’t know which powder i was shooting until afterwards).

Frankly I’m surprised how well American Select did.

 

 

 

 

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