lgh Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 As winter rolls into the midwest, I am thinking about getting an airsoft M&P for indoor practice and fun. But if the pistol can't shoot 3" groups at ten yards I don't have much use for it. What are these airsoft guns capable of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Don't know about the particular pistol that you have in mind, but generally they are good enough that IPSC has created the Action Air Division for them. I've only seen one stage and the distance wasn't much over 5 meters on that one. People were accurately placing shots on scaled down paper targets and lightweight plates and poppers. They use a stop plate system for reliable timing. Here's somebody's old match footage from a place I know. The last one of the video (El Presidente Challenge) is from a 10 meter airgun range. Looks like 8 meters, or so, on scaled down targets. The Action Air target is 30cm wide, and the A Zone 10cm (about 4"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted November 6, 2017 Author Share Posted November 6, 2017 Thank you very much. That does look like fun. Heck, I can run a match in my basement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Sure you can, if your basement or garage isn't too full of stuff you cannot move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcor Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 I have a pair of these one for me one for my wife. Mine has a red dot holographic sight and I have used it for many years. I like this model for two reasons one of the longer barrel generates more velocity on the pellet and the skeletonized slide reciprocates much more quickly. Trigger pull and handling are close to my 1911 type 38 super competition gun. I have found the gun more than accurate for my drills in the backyard. All distances have been reduced to one third of standard as have all targets. Everything else is the same. I'm a 74-year-old ex-cop X competitor and concealed weapon carrier. I use a Look-alike double-action Airsoft weapon similar to what I carry. Almost all of my self-defense practice these days is done with the Airsoft pistol as I would practice much less having to go to a range and shoot . I shoot at least weekly with the Airsoft pistol as I enjoy it quite a bit. I have no experience with any of the Beretta type competition pistols but I read good things about them and if you're looking for more velocity you might consider going to pistols that will handle both CO2 and green gas. I also use propane conversion as green gas is much more expensive and not more effective. Hope this helps John a Kennedy retired from almost everything but shooting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Rules for IPSC Action Air limit the power: 5.1.2 Approved Action Air Handguns are those which fire projectiles of 6 mm diameter (also see Rule 5.5.4). ... ... 5.5.4 Projectiles made of any material other than polymer or biodegradable materials such as starch or bio-plastic are prohibited at IPSC Action Air matches. ... 5.6.1 The maximum power factor of projectiles in all Divisions is two Joules or the maximum power factor specified by law in the Region hosting a match, whichever is lower https://www.ipsc.org/pdf/RulesAir.pdf (2 Joule equals about 1.47512 foot-pounds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowb1rd Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 I bought a KJW 1911 on a whim and enjoy shooting it in and around my house. For my purposes, its good fun when I cant get out to the range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 Have you guys shot them off a bag for accuracy? What did you get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touji Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Not quite sure about how accurate they are, but the quality of BBs will definitely assist with accuracy. I think the key for airsoft pistols are scaled targets. Any particular range you're looking for? If I have some free time, I can see if I can put my airsoft 1911 on some bags and shoot some groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 13 hours ago, touji said: Any particular range you're looking for? 10 yds max. If I can get 3" that would be great. The pistol I'm considering is a M&P. Thanks in advance. "if your basement or garage isn't too full of stuff you cannot move." If I re-purpose the stuff as barriers, I can postpone a lot of cleanup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eprimos Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 10 yds max. If I can get 3" that would be great. The pistol I'm considering is a M&P. Thanks in advance. "if your basement or garage isn't too full of stuff you cannot move." If I re-purpose the stuff as barriers, I can postpone a lot of cleanup [emoji4]Hi, there is an Airsoft match similar to Steel Challenge where plates are set on a max range of 10 meters ( 9.4 yd more or less) with 4", the guns are usually CO2 or Propano propelled ones. Most people use on that matches brands like Tokyo Marui (usually the most accurate out of the box), WE (very accurate too), KJW and some replicas of Tanfoglio and CZ assembled by KWC wich are identical to the real ones in height, weight, and trigger pull, but have an annoying issue, hammer breaks around 15k shoots, so people makes a steel hammer after that .Comparison of Tokyo Marui x VFC (It's easy to find a WE too)Best regardsEnviado de meu SM-G610M usando Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted November 25, 2017 Author Share Posted November 25, 2017 Thanks for all the replies. I picked up a licensed M&P to play with. Quite impressed with the quality and trigger. I have to get the co2 needle valve to fill the magazine and then it's off to the basement for fun. Where do you lube these things? I'm assuming the barrel needs no lube, the rails do need lube. but what else? Where are the o rings on these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eprimos Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 CO2 does not have any lubrification mixed in the gas capsule, avoid WD40, use grease for the metal-on-metal slidy/rubby bits (slide rails for example, hammer group). People suggest lithium grease, but I really use what i have at hand. Silicone oil to be applied once per month or so directly into the blowback system to lube the o-ring/seal there. If you´ll leave the gun without use for long time, leave it charged with a not full CO2, this mostly prevent that the o-rings became loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Just don't put anything where it could get onto any seals of the gas/air system (unless the manufacturer tells you to). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted November 25, 2017 Author Share Posted November 25, 2017 Thanks perttime. Another issue has come up. The M&P magazine charges via a needle adaptor. I need that adaptor but Evike, who sold me the gun, says they don't have them. Incredible since they claim they test fired the gun! I am not impressed. What did they do, blow air in by mouth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted December 1, 2017 Author Share Posted December 1, 2017 On 11/25/2017 at 10:13 AM, lgh said: Thanks perttime. Another issue has come up. The M&P magazine charges via a needle adaptor. I need that adaptor but Evike, who sold me the gun, says they don't have them. Incredible since they claim they test fired the gun! I am not impressed. What did they do, blow air in by mouth? I have to make amends. It turns out the M&P runs on propane (green gas) and not co2 like I had thought. Not Evike's fault that I did not know that. The green gas apparently comes in a can with the needle adaptor on it. I ordered the gas and should shoot some groups next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Oh.... That was it? Didn't you get any manual or other instructions that tell you how to operate the pistol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted December 1, 2017 Author Share Posted December 1, 2017 1 hour ago, perttime said: Oh.... That was it? Didn't you get any manual or other instructions that tell you how to operate the pistol? Nothing specific about gas and nothing on where to lube. I'm looking forward to shooting it. Nice to have something come out the other end while practicing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 On 12/1/2017 at 2:30 PM, lgh said: Nothing specific about gas and nothing on where to lube. I'm looking forward to shooting it. Nice to have something come out the other end while practicing. This thing is a hoot! Good trigger, great feel. Not a replacement for dry fire but a lot more fun. Have to find a way to keep the busted BB's from messing up the basement. A box of wine corks or rags works pretty well. Picked up 4" of foam and will check that, too. Will check groups soon but I do know the 25g BB's shoot low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 On 12/7/2017 at 4:23 PM, lgh said: This thing is a hoot! Good trigger, great feel. Not a replacement for dry fire but a lot more fun. Have to find a way to keep the busted BB's from messing up the basement. A box of wine corks or rags works pretty well. Picked up 4" of foam and will check that, too. Will check groups soon but I do know the 25g BB's shoot low. Tough to measure groups when shooting through paper with bb's (a lot of rips and tears) but they seem to be about 1 - 1 1/2 at 20 feet. Not bad and that is with sights that are not the best. Shooting low might be related to my sight alignment and not the sights per se. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dpolk Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Does the B.B. weight have as much effect as the bulletbweight in realbguns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgh Posted June 22, 2018 Author Share Posted June 22, 2018 15 hours ago, Dpolk said: Does the B.B. weight have as much effect as the bulletbweight in realbguns? I don't know the answer to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomicferret Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 https://www.tactrainers.com/collections/ipsc-practice Fun stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetricPound Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Wow, those M&Ps look like they just need a barrel and some internals to become legit. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jskd82 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) I have a Beretta GBB and it isn't very accurate past 25 ft, maybe hit a 6 inch circle inside of that. Edited February 2, 2019 by jskd82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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