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125gr Leatherhead RN, Titegroup 3.7gr, Federal 100 or Winchester SP, 1.125" OAL

 

This Titegroup recipe is soft, and Titegroup meters exceptionally evenly.  3.7 on every throw, even with just a standard Dillon powder bar.  At only 3.7gr per round, Titegroup makes your powder money last a long time.

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Curious as to what you use to load 9mm minor. I've used solo 1000 for a lot of years with good results. Now that I'm almost out and can't find it, I' looking for a replacement.
 
I use shilouette. 124grn 9mm. Shoots way soft in my open gun


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I'm using Tightgroup with coated bullets and HP-38 for Jacketed. 

3.8 gr Tightgroup behind Bayou 120 TCG @ 1.060, .3785 crimp on all my 9mm's.

4.3 gr HP-38 behind Precision Delta 124 JHP @ 1.085, also use 4.8 N340 and 5.4 Power Pistol with same bullet.

Power factor is 130 to 142 with these loads and very accurate (less than 1.5" at 15 yds 10shots)

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WST - too Temp sensative (any Winchester powder)

Titepoop _ too hot and dirty and snappy, Not bulky enough

IMR 7625 Temp sensative, less than WST though- but discontinued ( but I have 24lbs)

Solo 1000 - discontinued

 

VV N320 BEST. Not Temp sensative, negligable lot to lot variation, good bulk. Not smokey, Meters extremely well. 4.2 to 4.3 Grains with a 124 CMJ grain Montana Gold bullet OAL 1.135. 3.5 to 3.6 grains with a 135 grain Bayou Bullet or SNS casting OAL 1.135. 3.2 to 3.3 grains with 147 Grain flat point Bayou bullet OAL 1.135. 3.5 to 3.7 Grains with a 147 CMJ Montana Gold bullet OAL 1.135. Use the lower end for a Gen 3 G34 and the upper end for an STI Edge 9mm. All these loads make a 130 to 132 PF.

 

The point is, when you find a powder that you like, buy a shit ton, and stick with it. Focus more on shooting and less on reloading.

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On ‎12‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 10:41 PM, Red Ryder said:

WST - too Temp sensative (any Winchester powder)

Titepoop _ too hot and dirty and snappy, Not bulky enough

IMR 7625 Temp sensative, less than WST though- but discontinued ( but I have 24lbs)

Solo 1000 - discontinued

 

VV N320 BEST. Not Temp sensative, negligable lot to lot variation, good bulk. Not smokey, Meters extremely well. 4.2 to 4.3 Grains with a 124 CMJ grain Montana Gold bullet OAL 1.135. 3.5 to 3.6 grains with a 135 grain Bayou Bullet or SNS casting OAL 1.135. 3.2 to 3.3 grains with 147 Grain flat point Bayou bullet OAL 1.135. 3.5 to 3.7 Grains with a 147 CMJ Montana Gold bullet OAL 1.135. Use the lower end for a Gen 3 G34 and the upper end for an STI Edge 9mm. All these loads make a 130 to 132 PF.

 

The point is, when you find a powder that you like, buy a shit ton, and stick with it. Focus more on shooting and less on reloading.

 

I agree with this.  I use VV N320 at 3.1gr, 1.135" OAL, 145gr round nose bayou bullet.  Made 131 PF at the last major I shot.  Soft, accurate and clean.

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17 hours ago, B_RAD said:

Prima V is not available anywhere at the moment. Not that I can find anyway. 

You're right, wow. Glad I bought a bunch. I haven't kept watch on it since I haven't needed to buy any. Hope it comes back, I don't want to keep searching for the next best thing. Gets tiresome. 

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Currently, 3.8 of WST with a 124gr coated or 4.0 with a 125gr plated at 1.15 for either. 

 

I'm over it though due to the crazy temperature swings that come with seasons...like 10 or more PF. I think I'm going to try E3 next as the word is that it is pretty stable. 

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6 hours ago, LukeWL said:

Why would you want a slower burning for major but faster for minor? 

 

Faster powders use very little powder, and produce less perceived recoil, especially with heavier bullets.

 

Slower powders use much more powder, and produce much more gas, which makes the compensator work better.    :)

 

You might want to go back in the archives and read some old postings under reloading 9mm.

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On 8/10/2017 at 10:39 AM, Stickman301 said:

Titegroup is good.  Meters pretty well.

 

Clays shoots softer but meters like dog poo.  But, I actually like Clays over Titegroup because it shoots noticebly softer.

 

Both are pretty accurate with 147gr RN plated. 

 

I concur, it does shoot softer but I can't stand the way it meters out.  Like dog poo.???

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On 11/21/2017 at 11:20 AM, Waldokill said:

WST - 3.9gr - 135 TC Blue bullets - 1.100 - 132 pf - Stock 2

 

The data below goes to show why it's important to work up a load. This data is out of a Shadow 2, which has had no modifications and using a stock barrel.

 

Created: 01/07/18 03:06 PM
Description: 3.5 Titegroup 124g BBI
Notes 1: 9mm. Shadow 2.  3.5 Titegroup. 1.10 OAL. 124g BBI
Distance to Chrono (FT): 15.00
Bullet Weight (gr): 125.00
Temp: 53 °F
BP: 30.12 in Hg

 

#          FPS  FT-LBS      PF
10    1066    315.46  133.25
9    1040    300.26  130.00
8    1048    304.89  131.00
7    1066    315.46  133.25
6    1037    298.53  129.62
5    1041    300.83  130.12
4    1028    293.37  128.50
3    1048    304.89  131.00
2    1042    301.41  130.25
1    1053    307.81  131.62

 

Average: 1046.9 FPS
SD: 12.2 FPS
Min: 1028 FPS
Max: 1066 FPS
Spread: 38 FPS


Created: 01/07/18 03:08 PM
Description: 3.5 WST 135g BBI
Notes 1: 9mm Shadow 2 1.10 OAL
Distance to Chrono (FT): 15.00
Bullet Weight (gr): 135.00
Temp: 53 °F
BP: 30.12 in Hg

 

#          FPS  FT-LBS      PF
10    926      257.08  125.01
9    956      274.01  129.06
8    961      276.88  129.74
7    993      295.63  134.05
6    973      283.84  131.35
5    992      295.03  133.92
4    956      274.01  129.06
3    949      270.01  128.12
2    939      264.35  126.76
1    969      281.51  130.82

 

Average: 961.4 FPS
SD: 21.3 FPS
Min: 926 FPS
Max: 993 FPS
Spread: 67 FPS


Created: 01/07/18 03:10 PM
Description: 3.6 WST 135g BBI
Notes 1: 9mm. Shadow 2.  3.6 WST. 1.10. 135g BBI
Distance to Chrono (FT): 15.00
Bullet Weight (gr): 135.00
Temp: 54 °F
BP: 30.12 in Hg

 

#          FPS  FT-LBS      PF
10    977      286.18  131.90
9    976      285.59  131.76
8    986      291.48  133.11
7    946      268.31  127.71
6    976      285.59  131.76
5    985      290.89  132.98
4    985      290.89  132.98
3    945      267.74  127.57
2    954      272.86  128.79
1    959      275.73  129.46

 

Average: 968.9 FPS
SD: 16.3 FPS
Min: 945 FPS
Max: 986 FPS
Spread: 41 FPS


Created: 01/07/18 03:12 PM
Description: 3.7 WST 135g BBI
Notes 1: 9mm. Shadow 2.  3.7 WST. 1.10. 135g BBI
Distance to Chrono (FT): 15.00
Bullet Weight (gr): 135.00
Temp: 54 °F
BP: 30.12 in Hg

 

#          FPS  FT-LBS      PF
10    949      270.01  128.12
9    1015    308.87  137.02
8    1033    319.93  139.46
7    1029    317.45  138.91
6    973      283.84  131.35
5    1006    303.42  135.81
4    968      280.93  130.68
3    1000    299.81  135.00
2    979      287.35  132.16
1    973      283.84  131.35

 

Average: 992.5 FPS
SD: 28.2 FPS
Min: 949 FPS
Max: 1033 FPS
Spread: 84 FPS


Created: 01/07/18 03:15 PM
Description: 3.8 WST 135g BBI
Notes 1: 9mm. Shadow 2.  3.8 WST. 1.10. 135g BBI
Distance to Chrono (FT): 15.00
Bullet Weight (gr): 135.00
Temp: 54 °F
BP: 30.12 in Hg

 

#          FPS  FT-LBS      PF
10    1000    299.81  135.00
9    999      299.21  134.87
8    987      292.07  133.24
7    1013    307.66  136.76
6    1013    307.66  136.76
5    1017    310.09  137.29
4    989      293.25  133.51
3    978      286.77  132.03
2    975      285.01  131.62
1    994      296.23  134.19

 

Average: 996.5 FPS
SD: 14.7 FPS
Min: 975 FPS
Max: 1017 FPS
Spread: 42 FPS


Created: 01/07/18 03:18 PM
Description: 3.9 WST 135g BBI
Notes 1: 9mm. Shadow 2.  3.8 WST. 1.10. 135g BBI
Distance to Chrono (FT): 15.00
Bullet Weight (gr): 135.00
Temp: 54 °F
BP: 30.12 in Hg

 

#          FPS  FT-LBS      PF
10    1018    310.70  137.43
9    1025    314.99  138.38
8    1044    326.78  140.94
7    1007    304.02  135.95
6    1002    301.01  135.27
5    1021    312.54  137.84
4    964      278.61  130.14
3    985      290.89  132.98
2    980      287.94  132.30
1    1019    311.31  137.57

 

Average: 1006.5 FPS
SD: 24.1 FPS
Min: 964 FPS
Max: 1044 FPS
Spread: 80 FPS

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