Broncman Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Got my CK slide and frame. Trying to figure out what coating I want to use so I can decide on color scheme for small parts. IE stainless beaver tail or regular steel. I have KG Gunkoted quite a few 1911's and it eventually wears off on the slide rails. Other than that, I love the stuff. What is the most durable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMV Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Hardchrome is the most durable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncman Posted July 29, 2017 Author Share Posted July 29, 2017 Been trying to research the Hard chrome and PVD finishes. Where is the best place to get a part Hard chromed or PVD coated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothandnail Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Black Nitride is the best I've seen, Hard Chrome rusts very easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 H&M black nitride is a very nice black finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncman Posted July 29, 2017 Author Share Posted July 29, 2017 How does Black Nitride hold up vs PVD coatings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike cyrwus Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Pvd is better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB DOC Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Black nitride color wears off the rails fairly quick but the treatment is there forever. Make sure gun is fitted and functioning perfect before getting it done cause it hardens the hell out of the surface. PVD is supposed to be harder than chrome but it's applied so thin that it's probably a toss up with hard chrome on longevity. Which is a long time. Some gun part manufacturers frown on nitride(high application temps.) and hard chrome (chemical reaction) I nitride or pvd my builds unless customer requests hard chrome. That's my 2 cents worth. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncman Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 Who do you use to do the coating? Thanks for the info. Trying to figure out how I want it to look but longevity is a must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB DOC Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 H&M for nitride. Ionbond for pvd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcalvert Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Hard Chrome is my favorite by far. Looks and durability. I have at least 10 hard chromed pistols that see lots of matches and have never seen one with a speck of rust. dcalvert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 I've had several DLC/PVD coated pistols and for the cost, I'm not impressed. My single stack SV has silver spots on the trigger guard and it wasn't carried much at all. And it was carried in a leather holster. I've also had them rust through the PVD. I haven't had a hard chrome pistol in quite a while, but the ones I had never scratched or rusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balakay Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 On 7/28/2017 at 10:47 PM, CMV said: Hardchrome is the most durable. On 7/28/2017 at 11:03 PM, toothandnail said: Hard Chrome rusts very easy. I am confused. Not saying it can't happen but do you really see a lot of hardchromed pistols with rust assuming reasonable care?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Balakay said: I am confused. Not saying it can't happen but do you really see a lot of hardchromed pistols with rust assuming reasonable care?? My gun is hard chromed and has been literally put away wet and it didn't rust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 On 7/28/2017 at 10:49 PM, Broncman said: Been trying to research the Hard chrome and PVD finishes. Where is the best place to get a part Hard chromed or PVD coated? APW is who I use. Excellent work and very helpful folks! http://www.apwcogan.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balakay Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sarge said: My gun is hard chromed and has been literally put away wet and it didn't rust. That has been my (limited) experience as well. 25K rounds through my STI in hot/humid climate. Shows some holster wear but no rust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEH Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 35 minutes ago, Sarge said: APW is who I use. Excellent work and very helpful folks! http://www.apwcogan.com/ I agree awesome work .!!! That's where I would spend my money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothandnail Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, Balakay said: I am confused. Not saying it can't happen but do you really see a lot of hardchromed pistols with rust assuming reasonable care?? I have never personally had any experience with HC except when passing a new build from the finisher to the customer, However. We have had numerous calls from guys who, after pulling their HC gun out of the sonic cleaner, are totally freaked out that it is nearly completely covered in rust. Is does seem to be fairly easy to clean off, but that alone is enough for me to shy away from having one of mine done. It does look very nice for a "chrome " like finish, we have done several Black Nitride/HC finish that look fantastic. Edited July 30, 2017 by toothandnail spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimaryBruce Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Send it to us if you'd like it black nitrided. We use H&M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brine0 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 I've been in the process of coating all of my pistols to Cerakote and I really like the new Elite Cerakote as far as initial quality of finish goes. I will repost any durability issues later. Just now trying Elite series coatings as they are fairly new. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncman Posted August 6, 2017 Author Share Posted August 6, 2017 Never have tried Cerakote. Have done well over a dozen firearms in KG Gunkote. I may do this first 2011 build in KG since I can touch up anything in the future for next to nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgj3 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Seems that properly applied PVD finishes are the most durable by far. I have a Fusion 1911 with matte black PVD/Ionbond on the frame and slide. I've had the pistol for 10+ yrs at this pointn and it shows absolutely zero corrosion of any kind in the areas with that finish. It was dropped pretty hard by a buddy that I let use it, and there are no scratches in the finish. There is no holster wear evident after literally 1000's of draws from kydex. I assume that whoever Fusion used did it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 I've got a CKARMS IDPA pistol with the black DLC finish. I've shot about a dozen matches with it and dry fired a handful of times. I noticed yesterday that the kydex holsters are wearing the finish at the front edge of the slide. Looks sexy to me though!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubajosh77 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 I'll reinforce the recommendations for Melonite/Black Nitride. I use H&M as well. As long as you're good with Black, it's the best treatment out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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