Vanniek71 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, IHAVEGAS said: 11.8.1 - Interpretation of these rules and regulations is the responsibility of the USPSA Director of NROI. Right that’s what I’m saying......... if Troy says Yay there is no other arguement..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just4FunLP Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) Looks like the recent rule changes has resolved the issue. See 21.6. https://uspsa.org/documents/minutes/20180209 17b Change Log App D4.pdf Effective May 15, 2017 Edited February 21, 2018 by Just4FunLP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHGunowner Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) So I want to run a Shadow 2 this year. Ideally an Accu 2. Like the OP said, "That's the one I want." The Accu 2 is not on the list as of yet. Is this still up in the air? Is it wise to pick up a Shadow 2 and run it this year, while we get some "case law" on the books, and maybe have a CZC treatment and bushing done at some point? Rather than search for an Accu 2, only to have it ruled out of, or at the least questioned for production? Edited March 18, 2018 by NHGunowner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverscooby27 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Or if you really want it you could shoot it in L10 until it is legalized Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHGunowner Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Emailed late last night asking about it, just through the "contact us" on USPSA site. Forwarded and responded to by Troy the next morning. Awesome folks. I asked, ”Hello, do you know if the CZ Shadow 2 Accu model is under review to be added to the production gun list? CZ model # 96214" And Troy responded, "It is not and won't be for some time. Troy" So that's where that stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) . A Shadow 2 customized with ACCU is legal which is different from a Shadow 2 ACCU Edited March 19, 2018 by eerw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedseeker Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I’ve been informed by both my Area Director and Section Coordinator that the new Accu Shadow is considered legal. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexKramer Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 . A Shadow 2 customized with ACCU is legal which is different from a Shadow 2 ACCUSo is this one legal?http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-accushadow-2-cz-custom-shop/SKU 91763They sure do make this difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedseeker Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 So is this one legal?http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-accushadow-2-cz-custom-shop/SKU 91763They sure do make this difficult. When the new rules go into effect, my understanding is yes. Recommend you take a look at the new rules and evaluate for yourself. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexKramer Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 When the new rules go into effect, my understanding is yes. Recommend you take a look at the new rules and evaluate for yourself. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI did and think it does. Unfortunately my opinion does t matter much [emoji16] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) My conversations with Troy. If you take a 91254, 91255, 91256 or 91257, do a trigger job, do short reset, change sights and have the ACCU bushing installed. that is considered work allowed under the production rules and is legal. However Shadow 2 ACCU SKU 91763 ( and 96214 ) would not be legal under production rules because it is considered a new model. Edited March 20, 2018 by eerw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexKramer Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 My conversations with Troy. If you take a 91254, 91255, 91256 or 91257, do a trigger job, do short reset, change sights and have the ACCU bushing installed. that is considered work allowed under the production rules and is legal. However Shadow 2 ACCU SKU 91763 would not be legal under production rules because it is considered a new model. Did Troy see the ridiculousness of those two statements when said together?Or is my logic flawed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanniek71 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, RexKramer said: Did Troy see the ridiculousness of those two statements when said together? Or is my logic flawed? No you are right, the rules are pretty silly when it comes down to something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverscooby27 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, eerw said: My conversations with Troy. If you take a 91254, 91255, 91256 or 91257, do a trigger job, do short reset, change sights and have the ACCU bushing installed. that is considered work allowed under the production rules and is legal. However Shadow 2 ACCU SKU 91763 would not be legal under production rules because it is considered a new model. What about CZ Custom model 96214 though? Technically, it is not a model from CZ USA as a brand, right? It would be considered a modified shadow 2 from CZ custom which has a separate SKU 96214 which would then be legal because it is a shadow 2 with mods that is just given a name and number by an aftermarket company? In reality, are accu2 model 96214 and 91763 exactly the same? Why can’t we just tell the officials that we have a shadow 2 and had the mods done separately and it is not a 96214 or 91763? There is really no easy way to track that unless they call CZ custom or CZ USA with the serial numbers which would be a huge time consuming PIA that they probably wouldn’t bother with unless you actually won a major match? Edited March 20, 2018 by Silverscooby27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 96214 has full adjustable rear sight, 91763 has factory rear sight Edited March 20, 2018 by eerw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexKramer Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, eerw said: 96214 has full adjustable rear sight, 91763 has factory rear sight Factory rear!? What a gamer gun. Thank goodness my Shadow 2 is just one that's been modified to look like an Accu 2... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverscooby27 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Yeah, me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedseeker Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 My conversations with Troy. If you take a 91254, 91255, 91256 or 91257, do a trigger job, do short reset, change sights and have the ACCU bushing installed. that is considered work allowed under the production rules and is legal. However Shadow 2 ACCU SKU 91763 ( and 96214 ) would not be legal under production rules because it is considered a new model. That’s ridiculous and runs counter to the spirit and stated rationale of the recent rule changes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 3 hours ago, speedseeker said: That’s ridiculous and runs counter to the spirit and stated rationale for the recent rule changes. Smart way for a manufacturer to do it within the rules would have been not to designate the gun as a new model, sort of like Tanfo did with the new limited pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHGunowner Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) On 3/20/2018 at 11:37 AM, eerw said: My conversations with Troy. If you take a 91254, 91255, 91256 or 91257, do a trigger job, do short reset, change sights and have the ACCU bushing installed. that is considered work allowed under the production rules and is legal. However Shadow 2 ACCU SKU 91763 ( and 96214 ) would not be legal under production rules because it is considered a new model. Edited March 24, 2018 by NHGunowner I haven't figured how to quote properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHGunowner Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) Doesn't the Accu bushing require milling/modification to the slide? Or am I misunderstanding that? A bushing upgrade/replacement (eg, CGW) would be allowed under 21.6. However, a modification to the slide to make that change would be prohibited under 21.1 "INTERNAL modifications that do NOT conflict with other clauses of this appendix, are ALLOWED." And 21.2b "A slide may be modified specifically for installing sights, and for no other purpose." Edited March 24, 2018 by NHGunowner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedseeker Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Doesn't the Accu bushing require milling/modification to the slide? Or am I misunderstanding that? A bushing upgrade/replacement (eg, CGW) would be allowed under 21.6. However, a modification to the slide to make that change would be prohibited under 21.1 "INTERNAL modifications that do NOT conflict with other clauses of this appendix, are ALLOWED." And 21.2b "A slide may be modified specifically for installing sights, and for no other purpose."I believe the milling is considered internal to the slide so it’s OK. The new rules actually call out the installation of bushings as legal explicitly. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedseeker Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 I believe the milling is considered internal to the slide so it’s OK. The new rules actually call out the installation of bushings as legal explicitly. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Word_Bro Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) Hey guys, I have an Accu Shadow 2, and am having a bitch of a time figuring out how to remove the Accu bushing so that I can do a barrel cleaning. Can anyone reply with a link to a how to video (can't find one for the Accu Shadow 2, or any other CZ with the newer Accu bushing), or walk me through with some step-by-step instructions? Thank you. Edited April 2, 2018 by Word_Bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverscooby27 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 It’s just kind of a pain because it’s in there pretty tight. Here’s the thread on the bushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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