Dink Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Shellshock Technologies has a new cartridge case called NAS. Among other things, it is supposed to create the same velocity at a lower pressure. If I used them for my open 9mm major gun would I have to load hotter to get the comp to work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Dink said: 1. it creates the same velocity at lower pressure. 2. If I used them for my open 9mm major gun would I have to load hotter to get the comp to work? 1. WOW. How do they do that? Same dimensions as the standard 9mm case to fit the chamber, and less pressure??? Doesn't sound possible to me .... 2. Iff true, you might be able to take advantage of different powders than are traditionally used for 9mm Major. I'd sure love this all to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dink Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 Supposed to be 2% more room in case. Case only weighs half as much and can tolerate much more pressure according to them.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Dink said: Supposed to be 2% more room in case. Case only weighs half as much and can tolerate much more pressure according to them. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk But that doesn't equate to, " it is supposed to create the same velocity at a lower pressure. " If you make the space bigger you'll need more powder to get the same results. Same as changing oals. Shorten the round less powder for XX amount of velocity. Lengthen the round more powder for same velocity. And pressure could do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js1130146 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 I'd be concerned about the 2 piece design and 9 major pressures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dink Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 I dont understand how they can do it but the claim is +p velocities without +p pressures. However, my basic question is if that claim is true will my comp work the same or will I have to load to a higher velocity to make it work. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, Dink said: I dont understand how they can do it but the claim is +p velocities without +p pressures. However, my basic question is if that claim is true will my comp work the same or will I have to load to a higher velocity to make it work. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk I also wouldn't fool with it for MAJOR ammo. There was just a thread about other gee whiz brass types and I don't believe they would hold up to +P++++ levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dink Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 Supposedly been tested to 65000psi. 2 piece design does appear to create some concerns when sizing and pulling bullets tho.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobyJ Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 I just read a piece about these...look way too good to be true. Not super expensive, reloadable like 30 times, super low sd, end of bulge from unsupported chambers, and not stupid expensive...$100 for 1000 brand new, ready to load. https://www.shellshocktechnologies.com/technology/ Other than a new set of dies, that look pretty well made, will work with brass as well, and only $99...what am I missing? TobyJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, TobyJ said: I just read a piece about these...look way too good to be true. https://www.shellshocktechnologies.com/technology/ .what am I missing? TobyJ For me it would take a significant number of reloaders to have success over a long period of time. i.e. thousands of satisfied customers over several years. Kind of like how we know and trust good old brass. Edited February 17, 2017 by Sarge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olstyn Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 On 2/16/2017 at 10:14 PM, TobyJ said: Other than a new set of dies, that look pretty well made, will work with brass as well, and only $99...what am I missing? Beyond what Sarge said about not being the guinea pig on something new, there's the fact that 9mm brass is basically free in a lot of places, and this stuff isn't. You'll wind up being like the lone person at a match who shoots .38 super and has to carefully chase down all of his/her brass after each stage. I'd much rather just wait til the match is over and pick up "enough" from the bay(s) I help tear down. If this stuff becomes popular, that equation will change, but for now, paying extra in order to have to put in more (and more careful) work picking up cases doesn't sound terribly good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dink Posted February 18, 2017 Author Share Posted February 18, 2017 Yes but the down side of picking up range brass is that i have had 4 case separations from cheap brass. Now i am seperating by headstamp to cull out the cheaper brass.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js1130146 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Pressure tested to 65k psi is great and all, but I wonder how many times it can take high pressures like that before failing or major deformity. I know brass cases can take 9 major pressures repeatedly. An interesting thing to note is they claim it ejects cool to the touch. Doesn't that just mean that all of the heat from firing stays in the gun causing it to heat more quickly and stay hotter? TG for example already has a reputation for melting fiber optic front sights. I can't see how adding more heat to that equation it a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dink Posted February 18, 2017 Author Share Posted February 18, 2017 I am not trying to sell anyone on these cases just for the record but they claim 40 reloads per case. The case is nickel plated stainless steel that is not supposed to deform.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js1130146 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 21 minutes ago, Dink said: I am not trying to sell anyone on these cases just for the record but they claim 40 reloads per case. We know you aren't, we just like to discuss and debate things endlessly. I saw the 35+ reloads, but I wonder at what pressure. 9 major is pretty high pressure stuff. 35 standard loadings is well and good but if it can't be loaded hot repeatedly then it's no bueno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 As far as load development goes I doubt you would notice any difference between these and any other brass. +p velocity isn't a thing so there goes that claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dink Posted February 18, 2017 Author Share Posted February 18, 2017 Their claim is that you will have lower pressure for any given velocity, which is why I ask my original question about whether this would affect the operation of the comp.There is a SAAMI spec for 9mm +p, 38500psi. You may have been thinking about +p+.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 45 minutes ago, Dink said: Their claim is that you will have lower pressure for any given velocity, which is why I ask my original question about whether this would affect the operation of the comp. There is a SAAMI spec for 9mm +p, 38500psi. You may have been thinking about +p+. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Or +P+++ in the case of 9MAJOR. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dink Posted February 18, 2017 Author Share Posted February 18, 2017 Yeh Sarge, I have no idea what pressure my loads are. 124gr at 1410fps but it is high enough to blow up cheap cases.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js1130146 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dink said: There is a SAAMI spec for 9mm +p, 38500psi. You may have been thinking about +p+. He said +p velocity isn't a thing. There is no SAAMI spec for velocity. Velocity is vastly different than pressure... Edited February 18, 2017 by js1130146 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfizzy Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Cases after 6 or 7 reloads shot in an indoor range. Shot from open gun. Metal is starting to flake off. Seems to be more of a cosmetic issue. The case bodies are still perfect. The case have been tumbled once or twice. Most of the time case was just cleaned off with dish soap and water. Gonna send this to the manufacture to see what they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncman Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I see those at the range from time to time. Always wondered why when brass in 9mm is so cheap. Kinda like having to hunt your 38Super brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I'm not using any 2 piece design. It's only going to be a matter of time before it separates and gets stuck in the chamber. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/05/daniel-zimmerman/new-shell-shock-technologies-nas/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfizzy Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 It is easy to see when a case is no good. That was done by the die not being set up properly. The press pulled the case out of the die body instead of the spring pushing the case out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, mfizzy said: It is easy to see when a case is no good. That was done by the die not being set up properly. The press pulled the case out of the die body instead of the spring pushing the case out. What spring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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