PatJones Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 So you're all excited that you can stuff 15-17 rounds in your factory mags now. Cool.When someone shows up at your match with 21 round mags, you'll all be complaining about the equipment race in Carry Optics. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titandriver Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 6 minutes ago, PatJones said: So you're all excited that you can stuff 15-17 rounds in your factory mags now. Cool. When someone shows up at your match with 21 round mags, you'll all be complaining about the equipment race in Carry Optics. Carry on. Huh? Rules say max mag length is 141.25mm. Then this: 21.7 Magazines OFM and aftermarket magazines and base-pads may be used. Grip tape and/or skateboard tape are specifically allowed on magazines and base- pads. What would there be to complain about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Two points ... - Technically, the mag length for CO is 141.25 mm ... Appendix D7, #8 (Who knows ... MAYBE 1 more round ???) - The 2-year cap on changes to Division if for Regular Divisions ... CO is currently a Provisional Division. That allows them to make changes on an "as needed" basis. Once it becomes a regular or permanent Division, THEN the two year rule under the by-laws and 90-day notice goes into effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 21? I plan to show up with 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aandabooks Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Time to start figuing out what basepads to add to my 19rd XDM mags. That gun has been gathering dust since the Tanfo and CZ showed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeMartens Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Carry Optics is provisional and doesn't fall into the 2 year rule for equipment changes During the Jan 2016 BoD meeting is was announced that it would be up for review at the Jan 2017 BoD meeting The 140mm mags have always been allowed since 2016, with a 10 round capacity maxium, the only change was removing the capacity maxium If you go to the website and click through the announcements the minutes, notes and presentations are all there for review along with this that was presented during the meeting 20170121_Carry Optics Division 2016.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quack Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 - Technically, the mag length for CO is 141.25 mm ... Appendix D7, #8 (Who knows ... MAYBE 1 more round ???)Going from 17rds to 23rds in my P320RX and still within the 141.24mm length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 Walther Q5 with SpringerPrecision base pads would also be at 23 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 2 hours ago, aandabooks said: Time to start figuing out what basepads to add to my 19rd XDM mags. That gun has been gathering dust since the Tanfo and CZ showed up. http://shop.springerprecision.com/category.sc?categoryId=68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aandabooks Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, alma said: http://shop.springerprecision.com/category.sc?categoryId=68 I saw those after I checked the TTI site. With the Grams internals it will get me to 24. They make a mount for my pistol that sits pretty low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 yep, just ordered a Springer 140 basepad for the 17rnd mecgar mag. i was looking forward to optics nats already but this twist upped the anticipation a little more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutycalls75 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 So 140 mm mags for carry optics. Do we get magwells too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Amusingly enough, if you think about it, this will make Carry Optics actually MORE similar to guns people actually carry, since production-type guns, with slide ride, filled to capacity, is actually what people use. (For those few people who use them.) Keeping the mag length the same as Limited means that this doesn't become a "only factory mags, so certain guns are better!" situation, and it keeps a rule/check set we are already used to. I'm thinking this will probably actually make for an increase in CO shooters, really. Someone who already has an CO-type gun won't need to buy a ton of extra mags and mag pouches (yeah, I know the rest of us still will, but we are atypical) and can come shoot a match with what they've got. I don't see CO growing as fast as PCC or anything, but I'd bet that this will help. Slide-ride dot, full mags, production gun/gear, shooting minor? That can probably make for a pretty fun division. I do think the unofficial name should change from Welfare Open to Reliable Open now, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreed911 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I personally wish it had stayed 10rd, if only because it was simple, easy and avoided the "competition mags" race. Now I'm rethinking my choice of G19 vs G17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I just checked out the Springer CZ 75 MecGar 17 extended basepads on their site http://shop.springerprecision.com/product.sc?productId=390&categoryId=42 My question is, how many rounds does it add? Unless I missed it, it does not state a number, just that it adds extra rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Had I known they were going to make this change I might not have sold my CO gun. I'd consider getting another, but then they might change it back to 10 rounds in a few months...maybe I should wait until it's no longer provisional and they decide on final rules... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mont1120 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Prior to this change in the rules I had no interest in even trying CO. Now I will dust off the .40 XDm, load to minor, and give it a whirl. Since it is a 5.25, Springer makes a drop in plate that mounts to the slide, and off you go. I don't think this will have any impact on Open shooters, except to introduce new shooters to the red dot world, which if they like it will move the shooter into saving up for a true Open gun. I think there is a vast difference in the two divisions, Open is a much more stable platform for the dot, CO means it is moving around a lot, but old eyes such as mine will be able to pick it up faster. The only additional change I would make is the power factor application, I think awarding more points for dealing with harsher recoil should always get rewarded. To me it is a good sign the board is trying various aspects with the sport to grow it. It looks like President Foley is very determined to add more shooters, and with that effort the foresight to mandate changes sometimes can lead to some objections, but progress is always marked with controversy. Now, who has that used red dot for sale, my bargain basement on sale to get it off the rack dot I have now will last all of 200 rounds before it goes dim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anbrumm Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 16 hours ago, PatJones said: So you're all excited that you can stuff 15-17 rounds in your factory mags now. Cool. When someone shows up at your match with 21 round mags, you'll all be complaining about the equipment race in Carry Optics. Carry on. Everyone should have at least 21 rounds. If a 140 mm mag in .40 can fit 20, I think you could easily get 23+ in 9MM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreed911 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) A> Just ordered four ETS 140mm 22rd 9mm mags for Glock from Primary Arms @ $16.44 each (plus reasonable shipping - $6.66 for four mags) - that's about the only thing I need to keep shooting my current platform. B> Just got on the list for a Glock 17 MOS at my local dealer. When I get it I'll move everything over and sell the G19 MOS. I have big hands and I'll trade the extra grip length now that I'm using extended mags. I used the G19 because it feels/seems faster on draw and transition being a smaller gun. Now I'll just have to work on the same with the G17 when it comes. C> I'd bet that a LARGE part of this revolves around the Sig 320 Romeo1 combo (which looks like an AMAZING deal) and Sig and USPSA both not wanting the "handicap your pistol by downloading mags" to deter new shooters. Edited January 30, 2017 by mreed911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersonj55126 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I am glad they made the change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 4 hours ago, mreed911 said: C> I'd bet that a LARGE part of this revolves around the Sig 320 Romeo1 combo (which looks like an AMAZING deal) and Sig and USPSA both not wanting the "handicap your pistol by downloading mags" to deter new shooters. The SIG P320RX as a package makes it hard to ignore the viability Carry Optics as a distinct division that is growing now and should be expected to grow for some time. The BOD did reference Shot Show and the fact that they keep seeing these guns emerge and are becoming more widespread. I don't know that SIG had any particular hand in the capacity increase but I do think it's pretty cool that the new increased capacity pistol mag for the Army will be one that just happens to be exactly 141mm in length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreed911 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, alma said: The SIG P320RX as a package makes it hard to ignore the viability Carry Optics as a distinct division that is growing now and should be expected to grow for some time. The BOD did reference Shot Show and the fact that they keep seeing these guns emerge and are becoming more widespread. I don't know that SIG had any particular hand in the capacity increase but I do think it's pretty cool that the new increased capacity pistol mag for the Army will be one that just happens to be exactly 141mm in length. Were I already not invested in Glock paraphernalia I'd give this combo a serious look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quack Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 The SIG P320RX as a package makes it hard to ignore the viability Carry Optics as a distinct division that is growing now and should be expected to grow for some time. Which is why I picked one up though I shoot a CZ in Production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCTaylor Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Come on Mike, I've got one that I'll sell you! The RX is a solid package, I really like it but love production more. If this division & rule set were in place last year when I started competing, you bet your butt I'd be hard core for Open Lite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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