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Hello: I thought I would start off here since this is where most PCC guys are looking for info. My loads are through a 16" KAW Valley barrel. First is my 115 grain Acme coated buller 3.3 grains of Tite Group, Winchester small pistol primers, 1.150" OAL gives me 131PF 900 feet above sea level. Next is my 124 grain Acme coated bullet, 3.1 grains of Tite Group, WSP, 1.150" OAL gives me 131PF. Hope this helps some of you out. Next will be 147 grain and maybe 165 grain bullets. Thanks, Eric

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for you using Winchester Super Field and want one load for both pistol and PCC...pistol is G34 with Briley barrel (P)... carbine 16" (C)... Bayou 135 coated LRN

3.2 WSF   (P) 907/122pf     (C) 1063/144pf

3.5 WSF   (P) 917/124pf      (C) 1084/147pf

3.7 WSF  (P) 961/130pf        (C) 1105/149pf

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Eric 

 

Have you noticed any smoke out of the ACME bullets compared to a FMJ or a thick plated bullet at minor power factor?  I am shooting Steel Challenge with my JP PCC and if there is a little smoke it may be distracting.  Thanks for the feedaback!

 

Steve

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I have put around 1000 rounds of 165gr xtreme's down range in my 16 inch gun. They are the softest rounds I have used (I have also used 147s with 3.3 grains WST or N320). I used 2.8 gr of N320 and 3gr of WST with the 165s, giving me about 130 PF. One note is that my 147gr bullet is a .357 and the 165s are .356. I have always found the .357 bullets to shoot more accurately in my pistols. I do think that the 147s are more accurate, at least in this load, out of my PCC, however, both group very well at 25yds. I need to test out to 50 and 100 soon. I suspect the 165s will drop a good bit at 100. If that is the case I may very well work up a lighter bullet load for 3gun type distance shooting, much like I do with my 223. For USPSA distances,fast follow up rules the day.

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I chronoed some Win White box 115 grain 9mm out of my 16" blow back pcc and got an average of 160 pf.   After chrono-ing them I realized why they seemed so harsh.   

In my PCC load quest I've tried 115 through 160 grain and am settling in on 135 grain bullets at the 970-ish FPS for a 130 PF.    All of them work OK, but for me the 135's at just under subsonic strikes a nice balance and are very accurate.  Bayous and SNS are what I favor in 135 grains and I am really liking the new 135 gr lipstick red SNS bullet.  For powders American Select and Vectan GM3 - both are fast powders that are easy easy to load, cool burning, and very clean. 

I have some 95 grain SNS bullets loaded and will give them a try next, just to see how they feel. 

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2 minutes ago, Maxamundo said:

When you guys list your loads be sure to list your barrel length and barrel manufacturer too.

I had a Kaw 16" go faster than a JP 14.5" which was faster than a JP 16" with multiple different identical loads.

Hello: Good point. I have a friend with a 14.5" JP barrel and it is on the slow side. I will chrono my KAW, Wilson Arms and my 16" JP when the weather clears up here. Thanks, Eric

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I'm thinking about working up a 115gr 9mm Titegroup load for my PCC.  I normally load Xtreme 147gr with Titegroup 3.2 COL~1.122 for my pistol.

 

Looking at Hodgden site for Titegroup: 
9mm Luger, 115 GR. LRN, COL=1.100

 

Starting (GRS / Velocity)

3.9

1,075

 

Max (GRS / Velocity)

4.3

1151

 

I think I would like to increase COL to 1.130 thinking it may feed better in my Glock PCC mags.  I'm not a knowledgeable loader, I just figure out what I need and stick with it.  So I'm going to ask some questions which may be obvious to some of you guys.

 

- Do you think at COL 1.130 I should still start off with 3.9grs of Titegroup?  Given the Hodgdon load data is for pistol, would it be better if I dropped it down some to like to 3.5grs of Titegroup for a  higher velocity 16" barrel?  The idea is to reach power factor of 130-135.

 

- Is there any logic as to whether a liter bullet (115gr) with more powder would have less perceived recoil than a heavier bullet (147gr) with less powder?  Rifle would have a compensator and I imagine the liter bullet would produce more gas. 

 

 

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Hello: I have tried 115,121,124,130,135,145 and 147 grain bullets in my PCC's. First I would check to see if your barrel will take bullets loaded out to 1.130". I load my Glock mag PCC out to 1.140" OAL. I think you will find 115's a little harsh even at 130PF. A very nice load for a 16" PCC AR9 is 124 grain bullet, Winchester primers and 3.3 grains of Tite Group. This should give you a power factor of about 131-137 depending on your barrel. This is a nice and accurate load and shoots very flat with a good buffer setup. Thanks, Eric

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10 minutes ago, Aircooled6racer said:

Hello: I have tried 115,121,124,130,135,145 and 147 grain bullets in my PCC's. First I would check to see if your barrel will take bullets loaded out to 1.130". I load my Glock mag PCC out to 1.140" OAL. I think you will find 115's a little harsh even at 130PF. A very nice load for a 16" PCC AR9 is 124 grain bullet, Winchester primers and 3.3 grains of Tite Group. This should give you a power factor of about 131-137 depending on your barrel. This is a nice and accurate load and shoots very flat with a good buffer setup. Thanks, Eric

 

Thanks...with 124gr bullet and 3.3 grains of Titegroup, is your OAL 1.140?  Do you think for Xtreme 124gr bullet and OAL 1.130, I should still start off with Titegroup 3.3 grains?  I'll have a Blitzkrieg piston comp and SJC PCC comp in an FX-9 carbine.

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Hello: Not Wylie but my 2.8 grains of Tite Group with 147 Acme bullets gives more dot lift than my 124 load but it is easier on the shoulder. It feels a little sluggish also. I have shot that same load in my MPX and it is crazy soft but I am not sure on the power factor. Thanks, Eric

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Here's some of my data

PSA 16" barrel

Bullet Brand Bayou
Bullet Type Round Nose
Bullet Weight 160gr
Powder Name Titegroup
Powder Weight 2.5gr
Primer Federal
COL 1.14
Average Chronograph Speed 903.7
Standard Deviation 14.28
Chronograph Speed 886 923
Power Factor 144

 

Bullet Brand Everglades
Bullet Type Round Nose
Bullet Weight 147gr
Powder Name Titegroup
Powder Weight 3.0gr
Primer Federal
COL 1.130-1.135
Average Chronograph Speed 973.9
Standard Deviation 52.48
Chronograph Speed 890 1033
Power Factor 143

 

Bullet Brand Everglades
Bullet Type Round nose
Bullet Weight 147gr
Powder Name Titegroup
Powder Weight 2.5gr
Primer Federal
COL 1.130-1.135
Average Chronograph Speed 908.7
Standard Deviation 26.7
Chronograph Speed 863 961
Power Factor 133
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Guys, like Maxamundo asked earlier, please include the barrel length, and the manufacturer (if possible), these loads were shot through.

Many of us use different length barrels, which as you know affects velocity. I have three different length barrels myself to worry about.

Thanks, Mike.

 

P.S. Good job, stick.

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