tanks Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Following multiple recommendations got a Mr. BulletFeeder to go with my Dillon 650. Followed the instructions in the manual, set up the powder funnel and the dropper first without the pieces above the brass piece. I got it to work perfectly with about 6 rounds, each time dropping a single bullet. Then assembled the rest. Fed perfectly to the tube, and then it just feeds every bullet in the tube. What needs to be done for it to feed a SINGLE bullet. I thought the procedure in the manual made sure that a single bullet only would feed and not sure of the corrective action (move it down or up? ). Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 First check that there is ZERO tension on the spring. If it's even barely lifting at all it will dump bullets. You can stretch the spring just a tad or move the collator forward a half inch or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanks Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 Well, amazing customer service. Rick, the inventor, messaged me and I talked to him on the phone. Yes, I had the unit a bit too far back and there was tension on the spring. I moved it as far forward as I could and still have the long end of the mount touch the case feeder (after the 6.5cm length). Still the issue persisted. So, I went with his second suggestion and it worked. Feeds a single bullet each and every time. I am still amazed at such a response. I'd keep buying his products based on that alone. Here is the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I have dealt with Rick a lot and he is great. BUT, when you get tired of looking at a bandaid fix on your high speed 650 just stretch the spring a tiny bit and it will cure the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 my advice. don't stretch the spring just yet. Mine was the same when brand new but I think either the spring settles or the parts wear in a little. when new mine would not solidly return all the way down either. after a little while of dealing with it and using various ties/rubber bands it was fixed. recently I took them all off and tried it. now it works 100% and returns to the bottom after each drop without issue. I guess my point is only stretch the spring if you REALLY need to. I'd say run it with the rubber band fix for a while, then try it without the band. from the pic in the other thread it looks to me like your collator is way further from horizontal than 45 degrees too. lowering the front a little will bring it closer to the 45 degrees you need and also reduce tension on the dropper at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I stretched the spring right out of the box. You don't have to stretch it enough to hurt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanks Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 10 hours ago, BeerBaron said: ... I guess my point is only stretch the spring if you REALLY need to. I'd say run it with the rubber band fix for a while, then try it without the band. from the pic in the other thread it looks to me like your collator is way further from horizontal than 45 degrees too. lowering the front a little will bring it closer to the 45 degrees you need and also reduce tension on the dropper at the same time. I'll give it a shot. I had no way to measure the exact angle and went with the 6.5cm length for the long rod advice they had in the manual for getting to the angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyN9 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Anyone have issues with bullets flipping occasionally when they collate and drop? Have been adjusting shims...but still happens . Any ideas at what to look at or something I could be doing wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trgt Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, JimmyN9 said: Anyone have issues with bullets flipping occasionally when they collate and drop? Have been adjusting shims...but still happens . Any ideas at what to look at or something I could be doing wrong? Yes, depends on the bullet weight and shape. I've found tweaking all of the following to help - angle of bullet feeder unit itself - # of shims - position of shim deck, closer or further away - how much wobble in case feeder - bullets may flip on particularly difficult case to for or when it 'unsticks' from powder drop (have fixed with case lube and/or mounting bullet feeder to wall instead of case feeder). .... its helpful to have someone else pull the handle so you can watch from above whats going on, if gets better or worse after an adjustment. Edited August 27, 2016 by trgt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyN9 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 13 hours ago, trgt said: Yes, depends on the bullet weight and shape. I've found tweaking all of the following to help - angle of bullet feeder unit itself - # of shims - position of shim deck, closer or further away - how much wobble in case feeder - bullets may flip on particularly difficult case to for or when it 'unsticks' from powder drop (have fixed with case lube and/or mounting bullet feeder to wall instead of case feeder). .... its helpful to have someone else pull the handle so you can watch from above whats going on, if gets better or worse after an adjustment. TRGT - Thank you, will run the list and see if that improves the issue. I also think it may have to do with more than 200 in the collator. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickRak2000 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Rick sez... Try putting 125 projectiles in the collator and then adding 100 more each time you add primers. The 25 extra will serve to agitate the pile a bit and keep the output rate up. Use a plastic cup etc, put 100 in the cup and make a reference mark for the next scoop full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Wow, so many problems you guys are having with your MBF's! I must have gotten an odd specimen because mine is about 99.9% perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansedgli Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Run the feeder constantly into a bucket instead of the toolhead and watch what is happening on top. I loaded 5000 rounds this weekend and had maybe 4 or 5 upside down bullets and no other issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Staff Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Got mine setup this week in 45acp on a 1050, did some tweaking - had the multiple bullet drop issue at first but that was easy fix, just moved the hopper closer (which for the 1050 means around the back more), to relieve some spring tension. However, in this position the spring does hit the PM. Doesn't seem to affect anything but I will tweak a bit more. May move it back a bit and stretch the spring a little instead. The hopper "eject lever" seems to eject a lot of bullets that appear to be correctly oriented, other than being nose down...might be a function of the bullet profile, ie 200 LWC vs RN? It's not the shims as this is occurring before they even get to the shim section, It's almost as if I need to adjust the lever "higher" above the plate (or the plate lower) but I don't think those are adjustable? So I am thinking I just need to tweak the angle of the hopper possibly. Lastly, has anyone stuck with the standard Dillon powder funnel vs. the MBF provided one? the MBF funnel sticks to my brass pretty good and doesn't release cleanly, so I get a pretty good hitch in the upstroke. I've read the suggestions on the DA/MBF site, but so far nothing seems to be working. I've adjusted for more swage expansion and even less "belling" at the PM, but the brass stills sticks and takes the smoothness out of the cycle. I am using One Shot lube, and also put some on the funnel also, but it still does it. Other than the brass sticking to the funnel, I'm pretty happy with it. The bullet/hopper deal I'm sure I can work out with some tweaking, but hoping to figure out a way to not have brass sticking/catching when coming off the funnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanks Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 Hmmm, I am not having that problem. I do use One Shot like you are using and have not had issues. Loaded about 10K rounds through it so far 6K Xtremes and 4K coated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeyedme Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 13 hours ago, 78Staff said: Lastly, has anyone stuck with the standard Dillon powder funnel vs. the MBF provided one? the MBF funnel sticks to my brass pretty good and doesn't release cleanly, so I get a pretty good hitch in the upstroke. I've read the suggestions on the DA/MBF site, but so far nothing seems to be working. I've adjusted for more swage expansion and even less "belling" at the PM, but the brass stills sticks and takes the smoothness out of the cycle. I am using One Shot lube, and also put some on the funnel also, but it still does it. On the 1050, stick with your Dillon powder drop. You don't need the MBF drop. On a 650, you will need the MBF drop - if that's the case, try a little chapstick where it engages with the case but stay away from the drop hole or powder will stick to the chapstick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Staff Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 4 hours ago, blueeyedme said: On the 1050, stick with your Dillon powder drop. You don't need the MBF drop. On a 650, you will need the MBF drop - if that's the case, try a little chapstick where it engages with the case but stay away from the drop hole or powder will stick to the chapstick. Yep that worked fine, switching back to the Dillon funnel on the 1050 and no issues sticking, and bullets tamp right down - Thanks! I'm going to fiddle with the hopper angle a bit more tonight and should be good to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Staff Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) 22 hours ago, 78Staff said: The hopper "eject lever" seems to eject a lot of bullets that appear to be correctly oriented, other than being nose down...might be a function of the bullet profile, ie 200 LWC vs RN? It's not the shims as this is occurring before they even get to the shim section, It's almost as if I need to adjust the lever "higher" above the plate (or the plate lower) but I don't think those are adjustable? So I am thinking I just need to tweak the angle of the hopper possibly. Well I'm about ready to admit defeat on the ejector kicking out all inverted SWC rounds, ie coated 200gr LSWC. Round nose works fine, so it appears to be something with the angle of the bullet instead of having a round ogive, and the ejector won't let it go by. Will fiddle around with it more tomorrow, worst case I give them a call I suppose. Edit - gave it one more look tonight, as simple things like this annoy me to no end lol. Anyway, I decided to shim the eject lever up a bit, about .010, and with it raised a bit the lever doesn't kick out inverted LSWC's anymore - I suppose moving the lever up moves the pressure point up more towards the full side of the inverted bullet, thus holding in place vs it kicking out. That's the theory anyway :). I'll do some more testing tomorrow to make sure everything AOK. Edited December 1, 2016 by 78Staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowBoost Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 On 11/30/2016 at 7:19 PM, 78Staff said: Yep that worked fine, switching back to the Dillon funnel on the 1050 and no issues sticking, and bullets tamp right down - Thanks! I'm going to fiddle with the hopper angle a bit more tonight and should be good to go 78Staff: I have the same problem with brass sticking on my MBF funnel. It is pretty bad and it is annoying, taking away from the "fun" factor of loading. Did you just swap it with the Dillon factory one? If so, how are you flaring (bell) the brass? Does the Dillon flares as well? (I installed the MBF funnel from the get go when I bought my S1050) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeyedme Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 59 minutes ago, LowBoost said: Did you just swap it with the Dillon factory one? If so, how are you flaring (bell) the brass? Does the Dillon flares as well? (I installed the MBF funnel from the get go when I bought my S1050) On the 1050 just use your Dillon powder drop. Got this advise direct from Rick a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowBoost Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I understand that, I just want to know if the Dillon power drop will also flare the cases like the MBF does? I believe the flare would have to be added to one of the previous stations then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Staff Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 1 hour ago, LowBoost said: 78Staff: I have the same problem with brass sticking on my MBF funnel. It is pretty bad and it is annoying, taking away from the "fun" factor of loading. Did you just swap it with the Dillon factory one? If so, how are you flaring (bell) the brass? Does the Dillon flares as well? (I installed the MBF funnel from the get go when I bought my S1050) Yes, I just swapped back to the stock 1050 Powder Funnel. On the 1050, the Swage Backup/Expander die will expand the case , and the Dillon powder drop can be adjusted to bell the case further as required. Since the MBF uses the weigh of the bullets above the one being placed to "tamp down" the seated bullet, I found you really don't need much belling at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowBoost Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 OK - I will swap mine and give it a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I only use the MBF funnels, because I like what they do - no bell, but a nice cylindrical area for the bullet to sit in. To me it feels much better than the traditional bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Staff Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Foxbat said: I only use the MBF funnels, because I like what they do - no bell, but a nice cylindrical area for the bullet to sit in. To me it feels much better than the traditional bell. The Dillon 1050 Swager Holdback die does a similar profile, probably slightly less than the MBF,but it seems to work fine. I also bell very little at the Powder Funnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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