RangerTrace Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 20 minutes ago, davidb72 said: That's very true. I know this first hand. Absolutely untrue. We all process information in our own way. Most of us, if given the time needed (for each individual) could master and shoot a memory stage without difficulty. This usually requires examination of stages the day before the match, because the 5 minute walk though with other shooters just isn't enough. Some shooters are genetically gifted, natural gamers and can see straight though a stage designer's plan on the first walk through. Some shooters (like me) are cop minded, rule followers who naturally try to stay within the lines. Gaming, which really means "legal cheating" is not one of our strong points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooster Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 We're supposed to be testing accuracy, power, and speed, not memory. I test memory at work. Memory stages suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Most ranges I've shot at do NOT approach the difficulty of memorization courses as some of the courses at Frostproof - an evil presence permeates the atmosphere in Frostproof They had a COF that I NEVER figured out - even after an hour But, when you finally do figure out a memory COF, it really feels good, especially if you come out about 15 points higher than normal (75% vs 60%). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsu96 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 New shooter here...what's the difference between a memory stage and a "regular" stage? Having to do stuff like a mandatory reload at a specific point, or only shoot paper 1x (or 3x), or ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 2 hours ago, dsu96 said: New shooter here...what's the difference between a memory stage and a "regular" stage? Having to do stuff like a mandatory reload at a specific point, or only shoot paper 1x (or 3x), or ??? A stage that has vision barriers with targets visible from multiple shooting positions and some targets that are only visible from specific shooting positions is the best way I can describe one. Very easy to forget a target or shoot one multiple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Standing in the start box, you cannot see all the targets ... You have to remember where they are, and not shoot the same target(s) more than once (or you'll lose time/ammo). My one time at the Nat'ls, all COF's had see thru netting so you could see all the targets all the time. BUT, some RO's LOVE to hide targets ... Memory Course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueorison Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 This might help; Instead of memorizing targets, find positions. Then decide your priorities and what is important to you; comfort of flow, or efficacy of engagement/movement (sometimes a stage plan can even find that happy median for you). For me, the answer is rather easy; I'm unmotivated to try hard, so usually go with comfort, even though it may not be the most efficient way to shoot the stage (to some minds), especially if it is a memory stage. My priority is fun, however. Some people think fun is winning. I think fun is fun. If I win by executing difficult stage plans, it still might not be fun for me because I didn't feel a nice fluidity in my shooting or what I feel is natural for me. Yes, I'm weird. I prioritize fun over winning. Which is why I'm horrible at USPSA. Most of the time I just go and hose and put 2 on paper and as long as I have one in the A, I don't really care. Don't forget to have fun! But don't be like me. I do stupid stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 On 3/8/2016 at 7:36 AM, bigboy69 said: What can I do to overcome this? Brain games? what works for me is to walk a stage, don't try and get your feet and view perfect, stand back and think about it picture it in your mind, then walk it again then think. When the shooter in front of you is shooting don't watch that person just think about your plan be ready to go when your time comes. On 5/10/2017 at 5:48 PM, davidb72 said: That's very true. I know this first hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reverse_edge Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Ignore all the other people walking around on the stage. They might be right, they might be wrong, you'll confuse yourself trying to figure it out. Break it down like any other stage, but pay closer attention to what's visible from where. Try to have as few positions and reloads as possible. If it's a truly confusing memory stage, err on the side of caution. I'd rather be slow and methodical and make sure I get 'em all than fast with a few M's and FTE's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliv2 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 On 10/31/2017 at 12:44 PM, reverse_edge said: Ignore all the other people walking around on the stage. They might be right, they might be wrong, you'll confuse yourself trying to figure it out. Break it down like any other stage, but pay closer attention to what's visible from where. Try to have as few positions and reloads as possible. If it's a truly confusing memory stage, err on the side of caution. I'd rather be slow and methodical and make sure I get 'em all than fast with a few M's and FTE's. This is sage advice. I'll also add: As soon as you realize it's a "memory stage," (put in quotes because it's situation and person dependent)... walk behind the stage and make sure you know the correct round count and where targets are geographically. It makes it a lot easier to figure out your stage plan from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dpr17 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 On 3/9/2016 at 6:38 PM, Sarge said: I can't remember ever liking memory stages. Lol Not my favorite either. Who thought of these things anyway? Lol! I power through them when I have to, but a mike can really throw things off your plan. I try to build a secondary plan should that or something else happen. Like mentioned earlier, find the shooting positions on the first walk through, track the number of targets/rounds at each spot during the second, look for other options and decide the order of positions after that. If there's still time, find a quiet corner and walk through it in your mind, visualizing the entire stage including reloads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RileyLV Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 On 10/12/2017 at 9:32 PM, blueorison said: My priority is fun, however. Some people think fun is winning. I think fun is fun. If I win by executing difficult stage plans, it still might not be fun for me because I didn't feel a nice fluidity in my shooting or what I feel is natural for me. Yes, I'm weird. I prioritize fun over winning. So glad to read that someone else feels that way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothandnail Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Had a TIA a while back my short term memory is bad, to put it mildly, haven't shot a clean match since. Still finish fairly well, rarely lower than 10th, the 1-3 missed targets is usually about all the finish spots the cost me. Most of the time it's 1 or 2 places lower. slow footwork/age costs me more places than missed targets. Still aggravating . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcfoto Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 On 3/9/2016 at 6:29 PM, GrumpyOne said: On 3/8/2016 at 8:35 PM, CHA-LEE said: Shooters who have difficulty with memory stages also have difficulty with remembering a stage plan for a normal stage. If you don't put dedicated effort into memorizing the stage plan for every stage then you will always struggle with memory stages. Basically if you are lazy with remembering stage plans the more trouble memory stages will be. The simple answer is to quit being lazy with your stage planning in general. This....and don't change your stage plan when you are making ready because you saw someone else do something that you hadn't planned. +1 on Grumpy's point. I have screwed up many a stage plan trying something someone else did before me. Due to lingering effects of chemo-brain, I too struggle with "memory" stages. My MO is to be very literal and methodical in my movement. Left to right or right to left, clear everything in order. Saving time getting fancy with engagement order doesn't help your score if you have procedural penalties for FTE's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touji Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 One of the things that have helped me with memory stages is to start treating all stages like a memory stage. One thing a GM shooter of mine does during make ready is to re-run the entire stage plan from the start position. It's amazing to see the stationary re-run hits all the shooting positions and all the targets. I've started to do this with simpler stages (upping my mental imagery game of a stage design) and it's made memory stages easier to deal with. Practice makes perfect, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swordfish Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Relaxing seems to help a ton. Just being comfortable with shooting. A local club I shoot at is full of pros and it's very technical stuff, tight quarters usually, and memory stages. Last year I had a helluva time remembering, but this year I had to ask the match director if someone new was setting up stages or if I was just getting better. I talked to a buddy of mine, incredible shooter, great dude, asked him how was I supposed to remember everything? Granted a lot came down to being able to develop a stage plan and not just running around shooting everything I saw (although sometimes I still do that, just have to remember where to look), but he said it would eventually just come to me. It did. Not really sure how, and I've improved over the past year, but I think with that came increased confidence and the ability to chill out and trust myself. Then I relaxed, less tension meant more concentration and focus. With that comes better stage plans and better memory. I still mess up here and there, but it's almost always engaging a target twice, and only usually once a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my00wrx1 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Steve Anderson covered this in a podcast a while back; analyse; strategise; memorise; visualise; and surrender to your eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaylanGivens Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 One thing that helps me is to walk downrange and look from the targets to the shooting areas... Especially if there is a large crowd mulling around in the shooting area... Sometimes this helps find alternate positions to shoot targets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 That is a new one for me. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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