pmt Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 USPSA NEWS Board approves changes to the provisional Carry Optics Division USPSA continues to embrace the evolution in firearms technology and innovation. Numerous handgun manufacturers are now offering optics-ready platforms. The recent SHOT Show displayed more optics-ready carry guns than ever before. Custom gunsmiths often upgrade these factory offerings with front cocking serrations, cosmetic cuts, stippled grips, undercut trigger guards, buried optics and co-witnessed sights. In July of 2015, USPSA announced the provisional Carry Optics Division. During the past few months, the provisional division has exhibited slow but steady growth. The members interested in this division have spoken, and the USPSA Board of Directors has listened. The division will remain provisional, but for the remainder of 2016 will have some new opportunities. The changes for Carry Optics Division will make it truly unique from other divisions, and will include: Authorization for all levels of USPSA and Steel Challenge Expanded stippling, contouring and texturing of the grip frame to include undercut trigger guard and grip reduction Expanded slide profiles to include serrations and cosmetic cuts not completely through the slide Increased weight limit of 45 ounces, including optic and empty magazine, allowing more pistols to compete Required use of a slide-mounted optic, prohibiting guns without an optic. The next review of the provisional Carry Optics Division is scheduled for late January 2017. Please note that making some of the changes now allowed in the provisional Carry Optics Division will render your handgun illegal for Production Division. A new appendix has been added to the online rulebook to aid shooters and match officials with the changes. -USPSA President Mike Foley and USPSA Board of Directors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 I think it's a very smart move on their part. I'm going to start shooting CO next month and plan to shoot it for the remainder of 2016, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadShot Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 So, will a revolver now be able to compete as long as it meets the weight restriction? Skip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Since the rules require a slide mounted optic, I would say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterDrew Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 I also think it's a solid idea. I am not sure if I'll shoot it, but being able to get a rear dovetail mount for my shadow is much more of a possibility than me buying and setting up a whole new competition gun to give the division a try Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 My Shadow slide is already in the mail ..... I'll probably never shoot production again ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Is a 1911 legal if it makes the weight limit ??? (and has a slide mounted optic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 My Shadow slide is already in the mail ..... I'll probably never shoot production again ..... The only time I'll shoot irons again will be for pro-am matches so I can shoot Limited and Open. I don't see myself shooting production again anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmt Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 Is a 1911 legal if it makes the weight limit ??? (and has a slide mounted optic) Is your 1911 DA/SA? Is your 1911 on the Production/Carry Optics Approved Gun List? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 No, but having never shot production I'm not really familiar with it. That is why I asked the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogiebb Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 interesting I can use my other Para LDA in this division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarosean Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 son of a b*&(^(&(*&U... Anyone want to buy a glock???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pau605177 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) Since the rules require a slide mounted optic, I would say no. Optical/electronic sights are "permitted", not required. Edited January 30, 2016 by pau605177 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmt Posted January 30, 2016 Author Share Posted January 30, 2016 Since the rules require a slide mounted optic, I would say no. Optical/electronic sights are "permitted", not required. Re-read the first post - entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pau605177 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Got it. I was referencing appendix D7, which apparently has not been updated. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmt Posted January 30, 2016 Author Share Posted January 30, 2016 Got it. I was referencing appendix D7, which apparently has not been updated. Thanks Yea, the news came out today. That's why all the CO threads are alive again. Probably a day or two before everything gets updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 As it is still a provisional division I would be less than eager to have a slide milled rendering it illegal for Production should the division die. Dovetail mount until this is set in ink. Don't believe me? Ask all the guys that put bucks into rigs for the first version of the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmt Posted January 30, 2016 Author Share Posted January 30, 2016 As it is still a provisional division I would be less than eager to have a slide milled rendering it illegal for Production should the division die. Dovetail mount until this is set in ink. Don't believe me? Ask all the guys that put bucks into rigs for the first version of the rules. I think the reason to keep it a provisional division for the year was to allow rule changes without waiting two years. I'm having my slide milled. Should the rules change and the need arises, I'll change slide to be Prod legal again. Guys that put $$ into rigs for the first version still have CO legal rigs. I'll also be using the gun in 3gun Stealth at RSSC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Got it. I was referencing appendix D7, which apparently has not been updated. ThanksIt has been updated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) As it is still a provisional division I would be less than eager to have a slide milled rendering it illegal for Production should the division die. Dovetail mount until this is set in ink. Don't believe me? Ask all the guys that put bucks into rigs for the first version of the rules. I think the reason to keep it a provisional division for the year was to allow rule changes without waiting two years. I'm having my slide milled. Should the rules change and the need arises, I'll change slide to be Prod legal again. Guys that put $$ into rigs for the first version still have CO legal rigs. I'll also be using the gun in 3gun Stealth at RSSC. Will it fit the box (Stealth) with the RTS? My guesstimate when I was headed that direction is that it was pretty darn close height wise. Edited to add Never mind. I was looking at a dovetail mount back then. Milled is probably fine. Edited January 30, 2016 by Neomet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronArcher Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Being new to the sport, and having aging eyes, I'm gonna run Production for the first year to see how it goes. If I have issues with the sights, There will be a Tanfoglio in CO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 No, but having never shot production I'm not really familiar with it. That is why I asked the question. Here ya go: http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-NROI-production-gunlist.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatJones Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 So, will a revolver now be able to compete as long as it meets the weight restriction? Skip CO and single stack.....The only two divisions where folks are afraid of competition from a revolver. It must be the blazing fast reload they're afraid of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 As it is still a provisional division I would be less than eager to have a slide milled rendering it illegal for Production should the division die. Dovetail mount until this is set in ink. Don't believe me? Ask all the guys that put bucks into rigs for the first version of the rules. Nah ... Updating rules is very different then killing the division ... Since I don't plan to return ti irons there is not a lot of risk in having my slide milled .... Trust in Mike Foley and all will be well ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quack Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) APPENDIX D7 update. http://uspsa.org/document_library/2016/APPENDIX%20D7_DNROI_2.pdf Edited January 30, 2016 by Quack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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