Dr Mitch Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 I have seen many match vids of indoor matches where the course construction allows for shooting toward the side walls of the indoor shooting bay. How is this being accomplished without cratering and destroying the walls? Fragmentation rounds and sheet steel? Bullet traps? In European indoor shooting vids there are tires stacked up as well, but there must be some kind of impenetrable surface to keep the range intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoomy Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 There is a range in Mchenry Illinois that uses ballistic rubber panels on the side walls. I am not a member I was just there for the range portion of my RO certification so I don't know how often they shoot into the side walls during matches. At my home range we use ballistic rubber panels mounted in steel tub and a frame with wheels to make them portable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximis228 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 (edited) There is a range in Mchenry Illinois that uses ballistic rubber panels on the side walls. I am not a member I was just there for the range portion of my RO certification so I don't know how often they shoot into the side walls during matches. At my home range we use ballistic rubber panels mounted in steel tub and a frame with wheels to make them portable. The range you a referring to is Alpha Range in McHenry IL. From the PDF on their website. “Action Target’s Wall Baffle system is designed to keep errant rounds safely contained with the shooting range while not damaging the structure of the building. Wall Baffles are available in configurations capable of containing both handgun and standard rifle calibers (5.56, 7.62, etc.). All impact surfaces on the Wall Baffles are AR500 steel, with a nominal Brinell hardness of 500. The joint system provides an overlapping and continuous barrier eliminating any gaps through which rounds may escape. The overlapping joint design also allows wall baffles to be modular to fit any range. Wall Baffle panels are available in 1/4” and 3/8” thicknesses, depending on the range requirements. In order to contain impacts from rifle calibers at various angles, including perpendicular shots, 3/8” steel must be used. All steel panels are cut on computer-controlled, high- definition plasma cutters and are prepped and painted to meet SP-6 specifications. No flame cutting of any type is used. Action Target also offers several fascia options for our Wall Baffle system, including treated plywood, rubber panels, and sound-deadening panels." Edited December 24, 2015 by Maximis228 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mitch Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 (edited) But what keeps the bullet fragments from hitting shooters and destroying the interior lighting? Rubber layered over the AR500? Edited December 24, 2015 by Dr Mitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximis228 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 But what keeps the bullet fragments from hitting shooters and destroying the interior lighting? Rubber layered over the AR500? Essentially the "FBI Battle Walls" act to slow down the bullet as it passes through. The bullet then hits the ar500 steel behind and the fragments are held in by the battle wall. Bullets can pass through, but fragments can not. I can muzzle the wall with a 9 Major open gun without issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximis228 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Every 18 months we need to pull down the battle walls, Take out the fragment debris, Re frame the interior of the wall and screw the battle walls back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Every 18 months we need to pull down the battle walls, Take out the fragment debris, Re frame the interior of the wall and screw the battle walls back up. What is the cost associated with this maintenance? How long does it take? Is it Club Member labor or outside contractor? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximis228 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 (edited) Every 18 months we need to pull down the battle walls, Take out the fragment debris, Re frame the interior of the wall and screw the battle walls back up. What is the cost associated with this maintenance? How long does it take? Is it Club Member labor or outside contractor? Thank you Its strictly a volunteer night situation. The club has roughly 200ish members. The cost is 20 sheets of plywood and some 2x4 for framing (Per Bay). We haven't had to replace the FBI Battle Wall sections yet. I have no idea what this might cost. This is part of the yearly membership fees, so I'm not really concerned personally. Last time we did this we had about 40 people show up.It took 3 hours for two bays (4 walls). Edited December 24, 2015 by Maximis228 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitrohuck Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 free lead!!!! Wish I could get in on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximis228 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 free lead!!!! Wish I could get in on that We only had one guy who is into casting. He lost his shit when he saw how much he was going to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Doesn't sound like it would be a pleasant area to be in at that time !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximis228 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 (edited) This will give you an idea of what I am talking about. Edited December 24, 2015 by Maximis228 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 This will give you an idea of what I am talking about. Those stud bays off to the right, is that like all lead? Or is that some sort of insulation or bullet absorbing material? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximis228 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 The black squares are the FBI battle wall. The bullet passes through this, the ply wood, then hits the steel. Once the bullet fragments, it splashes back and is trapped in via the Battle Wall. All the debris/lead has been removed in this photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mitch Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 (edited) How are poppers dealt with indoors? Sometimes I see those in videos of indoor matches. Edited December 24, 2015 by Dr Mitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximis228 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 How are poppers dealt with indoors? Sometimes I see those in videos of indoor matches. Needs to be 10 yards away. We sweep up the leftover frag/lead dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bockerSV Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 And placed in a spot without lighting right above it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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