Kayak1 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I am new and attempting to get things figured out, I ordered my xl650 last night. I also have a single stage that should arrive this week, to let me figure things out on as I wait on the 650. I haven't been able to find a load for this combination in Modern Reloading or in the Lyman reloading handbook. (Pointers to other books and source would be welcome). I have finally found a store that had some powered, the only item left in stock was 1LB bottles of Titegroup (Hodgdon). I have been able to get 500 x 9mm 115 grain Plated round nose bullets. I was able to pickup 500 CCI Small pistol primers. I have cleaned range brass. Would 4 grains of the Titegroup be a safe starting load? I also have 1000 9mm 124 grain Plated round nose bullets on order if you could recommend a starting load for that I would appreciate it. Thanks -Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopps Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 (edited) Here is some good data on that http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp It says 3.6 to 4.0 so......... Edited May 13, 2013 by chopps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedemon45 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 The search function is your friend. You'll find hours of reading on any load you can think of. With that said, I use titegroup quite a bit and would suggest starting on the low side. You really need a chrono to do this right. Get a chrono. Load light to start work up from in increments. OAL has a lot do to with pressure and velocity What gun are you shooting it out of? Lastly..get on some backorders for more components. Once you get into this your current supplies will be enough for about a week and a half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayak1 Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share Posted May 14, 2013 The search function is your friend. You'll find hours of reading on any load you can think of. With that said, I use titegroup quite a bit and would suggest starting on the low side. You really need a chrono to do this right. Get a chrono. Load light to start work up from in increments. OAL has a lot do to with pressure and velocity What gun are you shooting it out of? Lastly..get on some backorders for more components. Once you get into this your current supplies will be enough for about a week and a half. I am shooting with a M&P 9 full size. I need to figure out what chrono to get. As for getting on backorders that will be tough, I am in the socialist state of massachusetts one has to have a FID or a LTC to purchase ammunition or components. Most vendors won't ship to Mass. A spent shell can get you arrested in MA if you don't have a FID or LTC. I had looked on the hodgdon.com web site and found the starting load for a 115 grain LRN is 3.9 grains. TiteGroup-9mm.pdf From what I have read a copper plated has a higher starting/max load (I am very new thus I can be very wrong). I guess I am now more confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3324temp Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 4.2g TG under a 115g plated Berry was my production load for quite some time. I'll try to post my chrono data later when I have PC access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3324temp Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 (edited) Here is the data: 4.2 Titegroup115 Plated Berry1.142 OAL 1143.6 fps (5 shot average)131.5 pf This was out of a 5" M&P Pro with the factory barrel. Edited May 14, 2013 by L3324temp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayak1 Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share Posted May 14, 2013 Here is the data: 4.2 Titegroup 115 Plated Berry 1.142 OAL 1143.6 fps (5 shot average) 131.5 pf This was out of a 5" M&P Pro with the factory barrel. Thank you very much for providing this data! From that Hodgdon data that look very close to their max load (again this isn't data for CP) of 1151 ft/s. Would backing off ~10% to 3.8 grains from your load be your suggested starting point? Or do you think that 3.9 grains might be a safe enough starting point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I would start at 3.8 and work up to where you need to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryP Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 (edited) Remember; Your gun is the one that has to function! Your load accuracy is the one that counts. A Chrono is a must but, If you don't have a Chrono....I would pick a load, make 30 rounds, and fuction test, off hand, and from a bench rest. See where your casings are going (you want them to clear the gun without any problem, not flopping out). From a bench, and at a comfortable range; what size group are you shooting? For close up practical shooting I would be happy with 2-3 inch group. Just my opinion ;-) Edited May 14, 2013 by LarryP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3324temp Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Here is the data: 4.2 Titegroup 115 Plated Berry 1.142 OAL 1143.6 fps (5 shot average) 131.5 pf This was out of a 5" M&P Pro with the factory barrel. Thank you very much for providing this data! From that Hodgdon data that look very close to their max load (again this isn't data for CP) of 1151 ft/s. Would backing off ~10% to 3.8 grains from your load be your suggested starting point? Or do you think that 3.9 grains might be a safe enough starting point? It's always good to work up the load with your gun. Plated data is somewhere between lead and jacketed. And with no data on Hodgdons website specifically for platted bullets, it is hard to say what the actual max load is. My OAL is also longer than the lead or jacketed data that is listed which provides some safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyryman Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Just for all of who googled this topic wondering can you load cast lead bullets using Titegroup. I have tried... with no great success. Accuracy was just fine but cleaning my HK USP's barrel took some effort. After switching to VV N320 barrel fouling just disappeared. Topic starter Kayak1 was using plated bullets, and for those Titegroup is just excellent. If you're loading cast lead - just don't do it. TG burns too hot (even it's cheap). Just wanted to share my experiences for you who googled this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDlineman Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Tight Group is usually not a good powder to learn with. Pay close attention as you load TG. It is an easy powder to overcharge with. Just a word of caution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallisticianX Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 My old Production/ESP load was 4.2 gr of Titegroup under a 115gr Extreme RN plated bullet. As of this past June I changed to 4.0 gr of Titegroup under a 124 gr Berry's FP (more of a truncated cone profile). This load chrono's at 1020fps avg. out of my M&P9 FS 4.25" and 1045fps avg out of the M&P9L 5" both using a KKM barrel. Groups were about the same between both guns, 1.250" at 25 yards. TItegroup is a fine propellant and is one of my favorites. It is my go to for practical shooting in the 9mm minor, 38 Special, and .45acp. I also use it behind 200gr Coated LSWC in the 45acp for 170 pf without any problems as before mentioned. Asa side note I have found the following nuances with the 9mm in the M&P; I found both the M&P factory barrel as well as the KKM barrels preferred bullets at .356" versus .355: Anything I tried at .355" could not do better than 2.5" at 25yds. Also I saw a tightening of groups whenever I used a FP profile bullet versus the RN profile of the same weight and brand. This does not surprise me actually. Most FP's or HP's shoot better than there RN counterparts due to more surface of the bullet to ride the bore, better chance to "self center" itself in the bore to remain balanced in flight. Good luck, pay attention to everything your doing at the bench, dont get distracted with anything and check check check and you will be fine. Titegroup in the 9mm is not something to be freightened about (your M&P has a fully supported barrel and a dillon will not double charge all by itself)..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_dot_glock Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 On 5/14/2013 at 7:28 AM, L3324temp said: Here is the data: 4.2 Titegroup 115 Plated Berry 1.142 OAL 1143.6 fps (5 shot average) 131.5 pf This was out of a 5" M&P Pro with the factory barrel. i'm pretty new to reloading, just starting my second thousand rounds. the first thousand i used AA#5 and had fairly good results--and a lot of bullet pulling as i learned. i'm using a lee turret with an auto-disk, though with the AA#5 i was using the adjustable charge bar to hit my powder. worked great, very consistent. decided to switch to titegroup for the second 1k. the adjustable charge bar was very inconsistent, varying by 0.3 gn sometimes. i decided to try the auto-disk disks and they are brilliant: with the 0.34 cc disk it dropped 4.0 gn of titegroup, with the 0.37 cc disk, exactly 4.3 gn. i attribute the inconsistent results with the adjustable bar to the smaller weight of the titegroup vs. the AA#5--almost 2 gn more of AA#5. going to shoot my test rounds today and decide what suits me best. going with a 1.14 OAL in a glock 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardust tommy Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 http://www.lhs-germany.de/uploads/media/Caliber_2005_Hodgdon_in_caliber_05.pdf this is from a German magazine, lots of hodgedon data Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_dot_glock Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 both the 4.0 gn and the 4.3 gn rounds were a little snappy--sorry, i don't have access to a chronograph...yet--but spot on accurate. my next round of tests will include 3.7 gn (0.32 cc) and 3.5 gn (0.30 cc) to see if i can soften it up a bit and still cycle the slide. what great fun reloading is! anyhow, now that i'm digging my auto disk, i want to dial it in a bit. of course, lee's smallest auto disk is 0.30 and as i mentioned above, the adjustable charge bar is not consistent with these really light loads. i want an auto disk with, say, 0.02 or 0.03 cc steps, starting at 0.24 on up. lee doesn't make such a beast. has someone more clever than i made such a thing on a 3D printer? does anyone have links if so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_dot_glock Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 i've settled on 3.7gn at 1.125" as my load. for some reason it is so much more accurate than the loads on either side (3.5 and 4.0). i did experiment with 3.2 and 3.5, but had some cycling problems with these weights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamboSoup22 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I don’t know many people who use the lee but I think there are a couple of options out there for dialing in loads. They came up when I did my preliminary research on which loader to buy. You should be able to buy blank disks and drill them out your self. Can’t remember who. I also so this from lee that sounds like is more what you need. https://www.amazon.com/Lee-Precision-Adjustable-Charge-Bar/dp/B00162RPDG hopefully this is what you are looking for Blue_dot_glock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cody6477 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 I started with a Lee and the blank discs proved to be the way to go for dialing in loads. It worked pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkp1987 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Question for this knowledgeable forum... I am loading once fired 9mm brass on a Dillon 650XL (titegroup and berry 115g RN). When I resize and deprime the cases they fit my EGW 9mm 50 hole chamber checker easily. After I run the brass all the way through and have finished ammunition, more than half of them do not fit properly in the same chamber checker. Interestingly, the same rounds fit fine in a Dillon single case gauge. I am having the same issue with 308 I am loading on RCBS Rock Chucker. Any thoughts what I might have set up incorrectly? I appreciate the input! jkp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awabob Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 New and ignorant here, seeking help. With the scoops I have I can pretty accurately measure out 4.0gr of TG for my plated 115gr. Too little? Too much? Bunny fart? Blow up my gun? Help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityShooter Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 On 4/3/2022 at 10:25 AM, awabob said: New and ignorant here, seeking help. With the scoops I have I can pretty accurately measure out 4.0gr of TG for my plated 115gr. Too little? Too much? Bunny fart? Blow up my gun? Help! My experience with Lee scoops is that they throw under their stated powder weight. If you really want 4.0 of TG, I expect it will take the next size up scoop to do it but without an accurate powder scale you are only guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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