Flexmoney Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Smoke & Hope: World Record - Smoke & Hope - KC Eusebio - 7.39 total - 1.84 avg. - 2004 2003 Steel Challenge Best time = 7.81 Top 16 avg. = 9.30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 shot one like this with 2 boxes and you had to shoot opposite the box you were in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBChaffin Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 This one was fun, although I absolutely trashed my first run at it, putting the pressure on for the other 4. I shot it 4, 3, 2, 1, stop for a few of the runs and then switched to 1, 2, 3, 4, stop just to see if there was any difference. Didn't seem like any to me and I normally like drawing to the holster side target first instead of across the body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Post Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 I shoot this one, 4, 3, 1,2 and Stop. Since I like to shoot left to right, I draw on plate four since it's close, swing rightto three, swing left to 1, then burn through 2 and the stop. George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Post Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 sorry, I meant swing left to three George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 In the last few couple or three years I shot this one, I came up with a really cooky order, which I hadn't seen before. But I liked it and would definitely shoot it this way again: 2,1,3,4 stop. I liked starting on 2 instead of one because it cut down the over swing for the stage, if you think of the swing as beginning from the start target. So to start, I'd line up on 3, then I could comfortably pivot to 2 to start. Then once the gun was out of the holster and I hit the first target, the transition to 1 was unnoticeable, then 3,4 and stop. Only considering targets 3,4, I always preferred to shoot them 3,4 then stop, because overall, for me, day in day out, it just felt more comfortable and more repeatable. It's a little riskier because you chance missing the stop, especially if you nail the first four and take the checkered flag before you are actually finished the stage. I'd shoot targets 1-4 with the same, type-two, confirming focus. SEE the target, then SEE the gun pointed at it. Then after hitting 4, I would "gather up my vision" so as to bring the gun more centrally into view at the same time I was finding the stop plate. This was a feeling I learned to incorporate that cut down misses on the stop due to rushing. If you try to shot the stop with a type-two focus, you'll probably hit it about 50/50. At about a 2 sec pace, your going so fast that you're seeing/calling the shot on the stop at the exact instant the gun fires. When you notice that you did not see/call the shot (on the stop) until almost imperceptibly after the shot fired - that's when you have a problem. Gather or reel the sights in as you come on the stop. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 2,1,3,4,stop would be how i would do it....seems like it would give you a better chance to fix mistakes...and less of a chance to make them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 (edited) I've been doing it this 2,1,3,4,S way as an experiment since reading BE's post up there. My times aren't noticeably worse (usually running about 10.something for 4 runs)-- but it's solid and it confuses the competition. I'm all for it. edit: I'm now doing this 3,4,1,2,S since it's even lefty-friendlier. Edited May 13, 2005 by shred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ong45 Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 A lot of the top guys are shooting 1-2-4-3-stop or 4-3-1-2-stop. It seems you get a good rythm(?) sweeping to the stop plate. I tried this but was not able to make it work. i shoot 1-2-3-4- stop in the low 9's. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterbenedetto Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 shot this today the second time, i got 230s to 250s doing 1243s any other faster ways? how do the fast guys shoot under 2 ill probably shoot this high 2s on match days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 I need to line up on the stop plate, then twist and hold my torso for the draw. If I line up for the draw, I'm too twisted up for the far plate swing. I'm a confirmed one-eyed iron sight shooter but I find myself keeping both eyes open to shoot this one. Last time I practiced it, it wasn't working on the stop plate, but this time it was, I think because I lined up my NPA for the stop plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 I need to line up on the stop plate, then twist and hold my torso for the draw. If I line up for the draw, I'm too twisted up for the far plate swing. Have you tried the BE-plan? Not much twist to draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 #2 first huh? I gotta try that next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 #2 first huh? I gotta try that next time. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I know it's wacky, but I was able to convince myself it was best for me. Line up on the stop plate. Then, my first shot was a tad quicker and more consistent on plate 2 opposed to plate 1. And comparing the 1 to 2 or 2 to 1 transition combined with the plate 3 transition - no difference. So up to there I'm decided. Then to compare 3,4,S to 4,3.S, while in theory 4,3,S may be smother, I could never get it to work consistently for me - I missed the Stop more shooting 4,3,S than I did 3,4,S. I felt as though I had more time to get back to the sights before hitting the trigger for the Stop if plate 4 was the last target before it. Regardless of the order you choose... two last tricks: a. In the match, be sure you are not in any way thinking about "the order." b. On the buzzer, don't "give up" your visualization. Program your mind so that the buzzer activates your mental video tape of the stage. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ong45 Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 The fast guys tend to shoot 4,3, stop. I tried this for a while but was not able to get comfy with it. Seemed better to get the "hosing" part done with and then shift gears for a more deliberate shot on the stop plate. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 I shot it #2 first at the Ione SC match today and freaked out a couple SC vets. After my solid first run (Nolan caught it on Hosercam) things went to hell, but it had nothing to do with the 2-1-3-4 order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 I shot it #2 first at the Ione SC match today and freaked out a couple SC vets. After my solid first run (Nolan caught it on Hosercam) things went to hell, but it had nothing to do with the 2-1-3-4 order. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's my favorite part, freaking out the other shooters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ong45 Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 I think it was Eric who said " you can't shoot this stage slow enough" sage advice, i really pooched this stage last practice with iron sights, the one run that i saw everything clearly i ran 2.4 or so . With the crazy blind runs i was doing 2.9's and higher. When will i ever learn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Yeah two sessions ago when I hit those 2.3s I was seeing more front sight than ever, on each plate. It sure helped to hit the stop plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 I had some strange runs on this today with my Open gun. I shot 1-2 normally, but it seemed like I was looking at the stop plate and seeing the dot on 3-4 in my peripheral vision. Like my vision wasn't keeping up with my gun. Usually, my dot doesn't keep up with my vision. It didn't feel right, but I'll take a 9.20 without complaining. (With a personal best 2.09 run from a personal best .75 draw.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icer Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 Oooops........did I say that was a .75 draw? Actually you were 1.75 on the draw.........with some great transitions! Will they teach me how to run a timer in the RO class? Icer ---Too shallow for a cool sig line--- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 Oooops........did I say that was a .75 draw? Actually you were 1.75 on the draw.........with some great transitions!2.09 total off a 1.75 draw? let's see, that 0.34 seconds for the remaining 4 shots. wow, they really were great transitions. i think the 0.75 draw sounds more like it. even i can go faster than 1.75...and i'm no erik warren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Today I shot Smoke & Hope for the first time since Piru last year, and I was back to my old habits: 1-2-3- then flinging a broken-wrists shot at #4 in my peripheral vision, missing half the time. So I tried 1-2-4-3 and shot a 1.99 with my Limited gun (Major ammo). Sweeeeeeet. And never missed #4. Meanwhile, ong45 gave it a try with his Open steel gun and shot a 2.16 on his first run. With the dot turned off. We think this order is the Trick of the Day. When it gets old and we start missing, we're going to reverse it, 4-3-1-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterbenedetto Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 steel challenge is a nerve wrecking competition.....question is can you do it consistently? especially if you come in on top 25...then the pressure is really on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 I really like shooting 1, 2, 4, 3, S. It just feels more consistent to me and I like accelerating into the stop plate. Of course the key is to really see your dot or sight in the center of the rectangle every time. I've scored sub 8 in open every time I've shot it so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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