Doublehelix

I have one, and not sure that it is any better than the stock barrel honestly. I did a comparison that I posted somewhere. I will see if I can find it.

Sorry to be an idiot, but can you translate? I get the R1Pro, but what is the R1T? Thanks.

I assume you meant "recoil spring" rather than "main spring", but anyway, I have been running a 12# spring in both of my X5's (one is a Legion) and I love the response.

I have to agree here. Having to go to Springer to get a mounting plate that will work is not always ideal, and adds to the height and cost.

I have the GG competition trigger in my standard X5 and had Robert Burke (The Sig Armorer) work on the trigger in my Legion. They are different for sure, but I gotta say that the Burke trigger feels better to me. I did not even bother to measure the pull when I got it back it was so nice! I will do that with both guns and report back.

When I first got my X5, I did not think it was very accurate either, although over time (1,000 rounds maybe?), it developed into an excellent shooting gun over time. My X5 Legion seems to be pretty accurate out of the box. I have 2 loads that I shoot: RMR 147 FN FMJ under 3.6 gr. Sport Pistol RMR 124 JHP under 4.3 gr. Sport Pistol (I have an old load of this bullet under 4.1 gr. of Titegroup that worked well too) Both of these shoot great in both guns. I don't see enough difference accuracy-wise between them to notice the difference. I did put a Bar-Sto barrel in the standard X5, but it shoots about the same as the stock barrel. As I mentioned above, when I first got the X5, I was not really happy with the accuracy, so I spent the money on the Bar-Sto. By the time it got here and I had it fitted, the gun was shooting great. I compared both barrels from a rest, and there was really no difference that I could see. Before you do anything drastic, I would shoot yours for a while. As nice as the Bar-Sto barrel is in my X5, I am not sure it was money well-spent, and I wish that I had been more patient.

So what do you think? Do you like it? Is the glass bigger than the Romeo 1, or are you not familiar with the Romeo 1. Any comparison would be great! Thanks!

But some of us are OLD and can't see a thing!!!

Has anyone seen the Romeo 3MAX's out in the wild yet? Optics Planet says 1-2 month, but they always say that! I wonder what the mounting pattern is for that optic? Will it require an adapter plate, or does it have the same screw pattern as the R1P?

Have you shot with the Romeo 1 before? Can you compare it to the SRO? Just curious if it is that much of an improvement... quicker acquisition, etc.

Sold it some time ago. Thanks.

Someday "soon" they are supposed to release the Romeo 3MAX. Who knows when...

When Robert Burke does the trigger job, that is correct. It is an easy swap, but I need to find a way to match them. Maybe a dot of colored paint or something.

Ahh, thanks for that clarification. I did not see your correction as I could not remember where I read it! I was really hoping Robert was going to be able to remove the LCI, but my current plan is to use my old X5 upper with the Legion lower, so it shouldn't be an issue for now. Robert did tell me however that the work he does on the FCU gets paired and matched to the striker, so if he works on the FCU in the Legion, I will need to swap strikers if I swap uppers to keep the FCU/striker combination matched. I am assuming this means he does some work to the striker assembly as well, although I am not 100% sure of that. We will see the results when I get her back.

So I needed a backup gun for my original X5, and of course wanted the new tungsten grip, so I bought a new Legion. I have the GG comp trigger on the original X5, and I like it, but there is still a lot of overtravel, so I decided to send my brand new Legion over to Robert Burke for him to do the trigger job and then compare the Burke-ized Legion trigger to the original X5 GG comp trigger. He was supposed to receive it today, with about a 2 week turnaround time. My plan is to use the Legion lower with the original X5 upper. I have a Bar-Sto barrel and a tungsten guide rod in there already along with the Romeo 1 6 MOA. I will verify the weight with the tungsten guide rod, but I should be OK. If we ever get the Romeo 3 Max, I will take a look at that, otherwise, I will probably go with the DPP. One comment: I read somewhere that somebody said that Robert Burke had said he could "remove" or "block" or "fill-in" the LCI, or something like that. I asked him about it, and he said he cannot. We are sort of stuck with it for now...

Got my Legion this past weekend, although I have not had a chance to shoot it yet. I like what I see, but will definitely need to add the silicon carbide treatment to the grip. It is slippery in my hands, and the grip need thickening for sure. Weight-wise, I was pretty surprised. My original X5 has the Shooting Sports Innovation Tungsten Grip and their Tungsten Grip weight, *AND* the Springer Tungsten guide rod. That's a lot of tungsten!!! And yet even though the stock Legion did not have an optic on it, it only weighed 1.2 oz less than my Tungsten "frankenstein" gun that had a Romeo 1 with the steel shroud. I weighed both with an empty 23 round mag (SIG 21 rd with the TT basepad and Grams spring and follower). Now that is pretty impressive! Once I add an optic, I still have some room to play before I hit the limit I am thinking. Might have to play around with adding the tungsten grip weight or the tungsten guide rod. First thing though is to add the silicon carbide to the grip and see what that does to the weight.

Lone Wolf is now making 3rd party SS extractors for the P320. Looks pretty cool. I just ordered a pair. Has anyone seen or used any of these yet? https://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=921802

Hey! Not true! I have very little foam, and no froth at all!!! (OK, maybe a little bit!) Hehe... I do own a P226 SAO Legion that I love, but could care less about collecting. My Legion is a well-used, well-maintained tool. I am very excited about this new X5, although it has nothing to do with the Legion label however.

I love mine. I also have the tungsten guide rod and tungsten grip. Gun feels great now.

Honestly, I wasn't really there to compare them. I was just trying to film the recoil response of different springs on the X5, and at the last minute, pulled out the P226 just for the heck of it, and shot one mag through it. I actually forgot I even filmed the P226 until I went through each video to compare springs. I only brought it with me that day to try out the .22 conversion kit I bought for it. I really did not spend any time shooting for speed or to even think about comparing the two guns in any way. However, now that thought is definitely on my mind after watching the videos! On a future range trip, I plan on taking both guns and seeing how they stack up against each other a bit more. I have a match on Saturday, so I plan on hitting the range tomorrow for a quick tune-up before the match, so the head-to-head will have to wait until next week sometime.

I am not sure if this makes a real difference or not, but I was doing some slo-mo filming of the recoil response of my X5 to fine-tune my recoil spring weight, and on a whim I also filmed the recoil response of my all-steel SIG P226. There was a significant difference. The polymer X5 (with tungsten grip, tungsten recoil rod and tungsten grip weight, total weight = 43.3 oz), flexed and twisted quite a bit as it went up and down in recoil, whereas the P226 (using the same loads) was solid as a rock, straight up, then straight back down. Even with a high-weight tungsten frame, the steel frame is going to have a more solid response. So which is better? That I cannot answer, I am just pointing out that a steel-framed X5 will respond differently in recoil than a polymer-framed X5 of the same weight.

Yes, both the RMR 124 JHP Multipurpose Rounds and the 147 gr FP Match Winners bullets are jacketed. Great bullets by the way! In my .40 Limited gun, I shot coated lead, but for my 9mm rounds out of the X5, I am loving both of these bullets.

I hate to be the contrarian, but my X5 really loves the 147 gr. I am using the Bar-Sto Match barrel and the Springer Engineering tungsten guide rod, so that may make a difference. To be clear, I think the 124 gr are slightly more accurate for slow-fire, bullseye type shooting, but for rapid fire USPSA-style shooting, my gun and I prefer the 147 gr. by far. Softer shooting, faster follow up shots, and honestly, better accuracy at speed than the 124's, but that is due to the recoil profile at speed rather than the absolute accuracy of the bullet. Once again, slow-fire from a rest, the 124 gr is more accurate in my gun as well. I am using the 147 gr as my go-to competition round from now on. I just love them. My current loads are: RMR 147 FP "Match Winners" 3.6 gr. Sport Pistol CCI 500 1.10" COAL 132 Power Factor --- RMR 124 JHP "Multipurpose Rounds" 4.3 gr. Sport Pistol CCI 500 1.085" COAL 133 Power Factor Both of these loads are just AMAZING in my X5. YMMV.

They are back in stock now, and I just ordered one (Springer Engineering).

If you are talking about the tungsten recoil rods, they appear to be out of stock currently.