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Finally read the FAQs (3/11)

  1. Thanks for the reply, Bill. Our web site is: www.bedfordrrc.org and the shooting schedule is on there updated monthly. Yes we do allow 22 rimfire. If it's in the NRA AP rule book, we shoot it.
  2. Bill, There are other matches that don't appear on the NRA web site since they aren't "sanctioned" by NRA any more. One that's fairly close to you that comes to mind is our match at Bedford, VA, much closer than NY! We shoot AP on the first Saturday of most months, excluding December thru February. The time schedule may present a problem for you since we shut down sign-in at 10:00 AM. According to my search of Google, it's ~3.5 to 4 hours from here to you, so you'd have to "get up with the chickens" as we say out here in the hills! LOL We shoot all 4 Bianchi events if everything is up and running as is usually the case. We dropped NRA sanctioning a few years back when they stopped listing our matches in the magazines. As recently as 2019 we had hosted both State and Regional Championship AP matches here for 10 years and were the 2nd largest participation behind only Bianchi in the nation. Our range was the first in the US to have a mover on rails and we drew some of the best shooters in the country including the USAMU. Our next match is this coming Saturday, 1 July 2023, as I write this. We'd love to have you come shoot with us!!
  3. There's still much "cleanup" left to be done. They still list the Bianchi Aggregate as 196 shots among other goofs. 48X4=192 when I went to school back in the dark ages! LOL. Start position is still listed as hands at shoulder height and they still require a reload after each 6-shot sequence. In any case our facility won't be signing onto CMP's rules any time soon. Old habits never die and we've been at this game too long to have some Johnny-come-lately try to change the basics for their own naive wants and needs. At least they corrected the dimensions on the plate racks and seem to be hearing from the older crowd on here and possibly other forums, I guess. Good on them for that!!
  4. I've waited for a while to weigh in on this stuff, but here goes. After over 20 years competing in NRA Action Pistol matches and running State and Regional matches, I know a bit about how things have been run. There are so many discrepancies in this list of new rules that it's hard to cover them all in a short post , but here's a try at that task. Let's start with the rules in order of presentation. New rules are in RED, and my responses are in black after the rules that I question. 2.2 Safe Pistol Condition Pistols must be kept in a Safe Pistol Condition at all times except when they are in use on a firing line and a Range Officer has instructed the competitor to LOAD AND MAKE READY. Pistols in the Safe Pistol Condition are unloaded, holstered, and comply with the following requirements, as appropriate: a) Single-action revolvers must have the hammer fully down on an empty chamber, unless equipped with a transfer bar. Does this mean that single action revolvers are allowed? There is a later stipulation that the Practical must be fired in double-action mode. 4.1.3 Safety Features All factory standard safety features must be operable, except that M1911- type pistol grip safeties may be disabled. This goes against the most recent NRA rules requiring that the grip safety be functional. Not a bad rule in my opinion, but different from the current one in effect. 4.2.3 Metallic Sight Pistol The pistol must have a minimum caliber of 9x19 mm. The pistol may be a semi- automatic pistol with a maximum barrel length of 6.25 inches, and a maximum sight radius of 8.5 inches or a revolver with a maximum barrel length of 6.25 inches, as measured from the forward edge of the cylinder, and a maximum sight radius of 9 inches, as measured from the back of the rear sight to the apex of the front sight. Metallic Sight revolvers were allowed with the S&W 8 3/8" barrels in the past, so I guess they're outlawed here? 4.2.5 Production Pistol A production pistol may be either a semi-automatic pistol or revolver that is or has been a catalog item readily available to the public. Prototype and limited production pistols are not permitted. Production pistols must comply with these requirements: f) Barrel. Barrels on semi-automatic pistols may not exceed 5.35 inches in length; barrels on revolvers may not exceed 6.0 inches, as measured from the forward edge of the cylinder. There are catalog items that don't meet this rule either, especially revolvers. 4.3 Holsters All pistols used in Action Pistol competitions must be carried in holsters that comply with these rules. Competitors must begin each competition event with their pistol in the holster in the Safe Pistol Condition and complete each event by returning their pistol to the holster and a Safe Pistol Condition before they leave the firing line. This precludes putting the pistol into a shooting bag to leave the line. 4.6.5 Ground Cloth A competitor may use a ground cloth when firing in the prone position. Any ground cloth must be made of a single layer of material and not have any special padding. This takes away the Dillon shooting mats and others that shooters use differing from this rule that has been used at Bianchi for over 20 years. 4.7.2 Falling Plate Target Each falling plate target shall be a round steel plate, eight (8) inches in diameter. Plates should be cut from .375-inch (3/8 in.) steel. Plates must be mounted in groups of six (6), with each plate one (1) foot from the adjacent target (center to center), four (4) feet from ground level, as measured to the bottom edge of the plates. This means a complete reconstruction of plate racks across the country as the ones in use now are one (1) foot apart from edge to edge. The new configuration puts them 4 inches apart instead of 12 inches. 6.1.3 Ready (Start) Position Competitors must start every firing series from the ready position. A competitor in the ready position is standing upright with both hands held at shoulder height. This is later addressed in rule 6.2.2 d) 6.2.2 The Barricade Event a) The Event. 48 shots, with four (4) stages, fired at 10, 15, 25, and 50 yards, with two (2) series of 6 shots in each stage. 50 yard Barricades? That should be FUN!! c) Barricades..... The barricade may be used for support. A major change from NRA rules barring use of the barricade for support in Production and Metallic Sight categories. d) Ready (Start) Position. The competitor stands in the firing area facing the target with pistol holstered. After the command READY, the competitor must place both hands on the barricade. Do fingertips count? NRA rules say "palms against the barricade". f) Firing Procedure. After shooting 6 shots from one side of the barricade, the competitor shall reload, holster the pistol, and resume the ready position. The Range Officer will then give the start signal for the series to be fired from the other side of the barricade. After that series, the competitor will reload, holster his pistol, and move back for the next stage where this procedure will start again. Mandatory reload after each 6-shots? Not necessary for double stack semi-autos, but required here! 6.2.3 The Falling Plate Event e) Firing Procedure. After shooting the first series of 6 shots, the competitor shall reload, holster the pistol, and resume the ready position for the second series of 6 shots. The Range Officer will then give the start signal for that series. After that series, the competitor will reload, holster his pistol, and move back for the next stage where this procedure will start again. Again, mandatory reloads after 6 shots fired. TABLE 4 specifies that all firing is done from STANDING on plates. No prone shooting allowed on Plates at any distance. 6.2.4 Moving Target Event a) The Event. 48 shots, with four (4) stages at 10, 15, 20, and 25 yards, with two (2) series of 6 shots in each stage. At 20 & 25 yards the shots are in 3 and 3 sequences, with 2 in each direction as it stands now. g) Firing Procedure. After completing the right to left run, the competitor must reload, holster their pistol, and assume the ready position for the second left-right run. The Range Officer will release the target when the competitor assumes the starting position. After that series, the competitor will reload, holster his pistol, and move back for the next stage where this procedure will start again. f) Event Time Limit. The competitor has 7 ½ minutes to complete all four stages of the event, starting with the LOAD AND MAKE READY command for the first stage. After completing each stage, the competitor must reload, holster their pistol, and move back to the next firing point. (f and (g are reversed and again there is the mandatory reload after 6 shots fired. 8.2 Prohibited Acts a) Smoking or Vaping. Smoking or vaping is not permitted on event ranges or firing lines. No smoking on the ranges? You have to be kidding me! Annex A – ACTION PISTOL SAFETY RULES AND PROCEDURES • Prior to a start signal for a competitor to COMMENCE FIRE, the Range Officer shall confirm that the competitor is ready by commanding STANDBY...READY. Commands are reversed here, an obvious typographical error!
  5. They are the same....but different. The ones at the cup are older with thinner filling then the current production and the handles and straps have been cut off.
  6. After the first day of shooting, the USAMU is acquitting itself quite nicely. There are 11 shooters (out of 88 entries) who are "clean". Of those, 9 are Open, there is one ME and one PO. The ME and PO are both AMU shooters. Thursday looks like a rainout at midday, but it may clear enough to get some shooting done before it gets dark. Friday will tell the tale for a really diminished Bianchi Cup field of shooters. There are virtually NO Internationals shooting this year!
  7. Cardboard = 6ft to top, some Cofs say "approximately 6 feet to top of target" but most are set at 6 feet high to the top. Plates = 4ft to bottom edge of plate. Alan~^~
  8. There's no mention of how, or even if Distinguished Points can be earned in Production Optic Division in the latest rule book. Guess they missed that part when updating the latest rules, as they often do. Just as there is no qualifying score even listed as being available for Open Modified that they added a few years back and now ignore for Distinguished Points in that division altogether.
  9. Thirty days hath September, April, June and November All the rest have thirty-one except February which stands alone and March which has 8,000!
  10. There may have been some "contamination" in the powder measure. I had that happen when a small piece of the styrofoam cap lining from the powder jug made its way into the measure and partially blocked the flow.
  11. Ed, If you scroll through, you can see that the changes and new rules have a "bullet point" or a dot in front of the rule number. The first example saw just on a quick scan was 3.2.4 which adds Production Optic Firearm as a new category under Firearms, Equipment and Ammunition. Others include but aren't limited to: 3.8, Stocks; 4.3.2, Alternate Falling Plate Target Rimfire; 7.19, Barricade Event - Modified; 9.9, Weighing Triggers; 10.15, Specific Rules for Conduct of the Barricade Event - Modified; 10.33, Specific Rules for the Conduct of the Practical Short Course Event.....Well you get the idea. The changes/additions are pretty easy to spot once you try it. The list grows after 10.33 to include several new courses that are fired as "Short Course" events. Hope this helps. Alan~^~
  12. Joe, It would make no sense for you to order from Target Barn in Ohio when they only get them from National Target in Maryland, who ships them north to Ohio who in turn ships them back south to you. More shipping costs all around. That's why we went to the mfg source in MD to save the shipping costs. Just my opinion, FWIW. Alan~^~
  13. Give them a call tomorrow and you can get what you want to know over the phone. The lady who handles the calls is Terry, very friendly and easy to get along with. There is a 20% Club discount and prices come down the more you order, naturally. Our last order was for 1,200 so the price was $62.40/100 = $748.80. We're only a couple hundred miles away from them and shipping was $77.86 for the 12 boxes of 100 each. That worked out to $68.88/100, or ~$.69 per target with shipping included. If you don't want/need that many you might consider getting together with another club in your area to boost the total number of targets ordered. That's what we did. Hope this helps. Alan~^~
  14. Here's your best bet that cuts out the "middle-man". https://www.nationaltarget.com/product_info.php/1cb-p-26 The one you pictured is only used at Bianchi Cup with the notches at the bottom. The others available have 2 holes on the bottom and another on the top for mounting purposes. The black 4" centers have been around for about 10 years or so now. Alan~^~
  15. The NRA Action Pistol Regional Championship and the Keystone Cup State AP Championship matches will be held on 18 & 19 July 2020. Further info can be found at: http://www.chambersburgpistolandrifleclub.com/matches.html Alan~^~
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