Thanks for the replies. I am just starting to hand load 9mm. I have loaded thousands of shot shells over the years when I was a lot younger, but never centerfire and am beginning to learn more about it. I am loading 145gr lead round nose from Summers Enterprises, using 3 gr of Titegroup. They seem to shoot well and not much recoil (might be able to go a little lighter?). Getting about 900fps with that load. I may be experimenting with other loads and projectiles in the future. Not competing, just want a load for target shooting that is economical, safe and comfortable for me and my wife to shoot. We are both seniors. The local range has steel shooting and bowling pin shoots that I might be interested in at another time. Shooting a S&W SD9VE and a S&W Shield, both in 9mm. Just got the Shield back from S&W for a warranty issue. Thanks for the info.