benjamin

A live stream would kinda ruin the show. kind of like this thread

I would order from bennie and have a great gun 8-10 weeks later... not sure about the grips but i love my 6 inch from him

If we shoot at a match together, I am sure we can find something to insult each other with. It's more fun in person anyway. sounds good!

Those are valid points.. i pretty much agree with you on all of those... Just like Jesse said the current system excludes newbies which hinders the sport a little.. Just so you know how much we agree, i wasn't arguing that a classification system is "feasible", i was arguing that the idea that it wouldn't help or bring more attendance isn't true... so the funny thing is i don't even really like the USPSA classifers (i mean when else in a match do you shoot weak hand only head shots from a seated position?? that is what i did at the last classifier!!) and don't have the perfect solution for 3gun.. so basically i am the guy that points out the problem but doesn't have a solution... also Mark i really don't know what to do, did we just disagree on something over the internet, talk about it logically and come to an agreement without insulting eachother, passive aggressive statements, etc.. this is soo new to me.. will you at least call me a sheeple or something insulting? i just never experience a mature conversation over the internet before

so the 14th overall 3gunner (according to 3gun nation) is a "rookie".... referencing rustin.. http://3gunnation.com/the_series http://3gunnation.co...in_bernskoetter pretty good for an amateur 2011 3-Gun Nation Championship Final 8 Man Shoot-Off Finale 2011 Missouri State USPSA Multi-Gun Championship – 1st Tactical Optics 2011 Fallen Brethren 3-Gun Challenge – 2nd Tactical Optics 2011 Advanced Armament Corp/Tier 1 Group 3-Gun – 2nd Overall 2011 3-Gun Nation Shoot-Off at Ozark 3-Gun Championship - 2nd Overall 2011 Midwest 3-Gun Championship – 3rd Tactical Optics 2011 Ozark 3-Gun Championship – 4th Tactical Optics 2011 Blue Ridge Mountain 3-Gun Championship – 4th Tactical Optics 2011 3-Gun Nation Championship – 5th Overall 2011 Rocky Mountain 3-Gun – 5th Tactical Optic

once again Mark you are a driven avid 3gunner, not the "general population". Just look at local matches, we have matches that are not IDPA or USPSA sanctioned, even though the stages are similar, rules similar, etc.. they are only about 1/4 attendance.. people are constantly posting about their classifications, in fact you want to see people jump all over a match director, just have them not turn in the 1 stage classifier on time!! i have seen it and it is not pretty, so it must mean something.. The first two studies are a perfect example it talks about the "achievements" that Xbox implemented that have been a HUGE success and increased people participating in games.. people have bought games just to get the achievements which raise their gamer score (once again perfect comparison to shooting). Be sure to read the second one that shows that the game "reviews better, sales more and is more profitable". Does that mean no one would have bought the game, of course not, but it means it does make a difference.. I am not saying 3gun has to have classification to survive, but it would help... So you are saying that the 3gun nation rankings have had no effect on attendance and participation? Because you are right everyone could just do their own math, but NUMEROUS people have talked about attending matches they normally wouldn't have so they can get their 3gun nation ranking.. once again same concept having a profound effect... I chose not to post the numerous studies that show the dopemine release that is activated when accomplishing and achieving a goal (figured that was common enough knowledge). Every company, rehab, sport, etc.. has specific goals they set, because IT IS EFFECTIVE. The people posting on this forum are on the edge of the bell curve of shooting, of course they don't need a "classification" or anything else. But to use the people in this forum as a proper representation of the population is just bad science... http://gamestudies.o...icles/jakobsson http://www.gamefront...0-achievements/ http://www.psycholog...n-and-the-brain http://www.psycholog...-accomplishment http://www.psycholog...the-value-goals

Classification is not for the people that currently shoot 3gun, but to grow the sport.. so classification is (more so) for people thinking about shooting... The avid 3gunner will shoot regradless, but one of the appeals of USPSA is that people have a goal to keep striving for, i mean when we have a "classifier" match EVERYONE shows up. Numerous video game studios (zynga, COD series, world of warcraft) have either full time psychologists on staff or have studies done, specifically on this subject. What they have learned is that to keep the average person involved there needs to be another "goal" to accomplish.. So in the same way people strive get to the next level in WOW or COD in video games, in the real game of shooting people like to strive for the next goal. I don't think classification is something current 3gunners (i include myself, i could care less about classification) really need or want, but i do think that it would increase attendance and interest at local matches and i think studies show this...

i bet stag is very happy about having an honest, helpful guy that people can learn from!!!

who wouldn't want this.. now at ISPC matches you just have to shoot once at paper

thanks

new to the whole 2011 thing, should i put froglube on my mags? i have tuned brazos mags.. thanks

is this it?? if so that is an awesome price http://www.amazon.com/2x4basics-90164-Workbench-Shelving-Storage/dp/B0030T1BRE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347932282&sr=8-1&keywords=workbench

used the search function but couldn't find anything on specifically where would be the best place to buy a reloading bench? thanks

thanks, didn't even know about the brazos tuned mags.. looks like the way to go... thanks again for the help

sorry .40 cal, for me i am willing to pay if better reliability