Wicked Wrister

This thread was the first I'd heard of Tac-Iron changing. Normally I stay out of these things, but this change really upsets me. My apologies if this is not the appropriate thread to debate. Not sure which thread is or was, but it sounds like it's too late anyway. ...and, with all due respect, defending Tac-Iron is not pot-stirring.

Apparently electronic non-magnified optics are the same as traditional iron sights, which is news to me, but be that as it may, I assume no-one will mind when I show up in "Tac-Iron" with JPoints on my shotgun and pistol. Since it's not an advantage on the rifle, it must not be an advantage on the shotgun or pistol either. See you in a few weeks.

"Just trying to keep Tac Irons alive and give some of the new shooters an advantage. It pains me to see guys shoot TO with an EOtech and wonder why they dont do better." I don't see how this rule change helps keep Tac-Iron alive and I am opposed to it. It does not in any way encompass the spirit of the division. When a new Tac-Optic shooter shows up to face a 350 yard target with an EoTech; #1). they will quickly learn why it's not the best choice for Tac-Optic and #2). the friendly seasoned competitor will offer up myriad suggestions on how to be better equipped for the next match, ie: maybe don't use an EoTech. That's called being a new shooter. It is not necessary to dilute an otherwise competitive and established division for the benefit of someone's first match. I will still show up with my eyeball, rear sight and front sight. Advantage, disadvantage or neutral, electronic sights have no place in Tac-Iron or He-Man. It is not necessary to change long established rules in order to accommodate a shooter who failed to research appropriate gear before they purchased a rifle. This sport is expensive and you have to expect to buy specialized gear, more than once. If "only ONE sighting system is allowed" in Tac-Iron, are we no longer allowed to run two sets of iron sights on the rifle? Also, it was said here that EoTech type sights will not be allowed in He-Man because competitors have expressed they want to keep that division pure. What a total contradiction! Keep the iron sight divisions pure across the board. Start a new division if you want to level the playing field for EoTech, C-More, JPoint, Aimpoint, etc., but please, leave the iron shooters out of it.

I've never had a complaint about RM3G. It is always my favorite of the year and a true yardstick to measure my progress as a shooter.

Good point Trapr. I'm guessing Lea could give the "Yea or Nay" on this. Thanks

This system looks like you can't use it with other gear on the belt. It seems like a "shotgun only" set-up. Has anyone used this system for a multi-gun stage? Also, has anyone encountered a match where you were not allowed to reconfigure your gear after the first stage? I recall a match where we were not allowed to change or relocate our pouches, caddys, pistol, etc, after the start, same as not being allowed to reconfigure your firearms. Maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but if that were the case, this "shell clip" system looks like it would be tough to work around.

Are those the standard velocity slugs? 1300 FPS or thereabouts? I'll give them a try. For as few slugs as I seem to shoot, I don't know that "low recoil" is really necessary. Thanks.

Use rifled slugs. The Remington Managed Recoil always ran and grouped great in my 1100, but have failed to cycle my FN. It has broken in nicely now and has started cycling lower dram shot, so intend to try them again. I have used the Brenneke K.O. in the FN with great results and they're priced competitively. I bought some Winchester Win-Lite and Federal Truball to try on the recommendation of a trusted fellow FN shooter and I imagine those would be good choices for you as well.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's Benelli. You should get your own now instead of living in sin Agreed! After fingering the trigger and stuffing the tube of another man's Benelli... how could you ever look at your FN the same... I don't look at my FN the same. I criticize it constantly and sometimes it "falls down the stairs", all the while my thoughts are with another... my soulmate. On the other hand, my FN lets me watch hockey and pops zits on my back, so I should really quit my cheating ways and appreciate her more. Maybe a warm powdered graphite bath tonight...

I have never "dialed up" a scope. It seems to make more sense in action shooting to have hold-over and wind info in the reticle and just hold 'n' shoot. Even my front Globe on the iron rifle has "information" so I know where to hold. I've used a simple duplex like the Weaver 1-3, but only at distances out to 300 max, where it was easy enough to judge my hold. The TA01 ACOG with the JP reticle or the Leupold Varmint reticle are great examples of reticles that are both loaded with info, but instinctive to use and not cluttered. No matter what you're going to spend some dough! I often ask myself why I didn't start collecting rocks, or become a mime. All my hobbies are way too expensive!

Ditto. I saw Carl shoot at the 2008 Tri-Gun team event and as I recall he turns the gun over, puts the comb on his right shoulder (right handed), grabs four from a caddy on his right side and whips 'em in like milking a cow (heel of the hand first, thumb on top). I have been trying to find a video too, as I can not for the life of me figure out how it's possible, but it was hands down some of the fastest and cleanest loading I have ever witnessed.

Agreed. I borrowed an M1 when my 1100 went down and the recoil was sharper than my 1100. The recoil of the M1 was also not easy for me to recover from. It felt very snappy and inconsistent. I have since shot the M2 and it still moves pretty good, but you can really feel that flex in the stock and it makes my sight recovery much more consistent than both the M1 and 1100... and the FN for that matter. Considering the M2 is probably the lightest quality shotgun out there, it still has the most controllable recoil impulse for me. I would spend a little more and get the M2. You certainly will never regret spending the money. I currently shoot the FN and love it as it was a major upgrade from the 1100, but inside, I am lusting after my buddy's M2.

From a "fairness" standpoint, it could be said that all steel should be painted between every shooter, like steel challenge. I don't think this is necessary however. Most of my experience has been fresh paint, slug paper, etc. between squads and that has always worked just fine. Give the iron boys and girls a chance to go first and everyone feels they have an equal opportunity to see what they want to see. If you've ever shot at Tac-Pro, you'll know that they don't paint any steel. The 300 rifle steel is all matte gray, but it's the same for everyone. I personally like the challenge, even as an iron shooter. I agree that the rule should either require paint for each shooter, or say nothing at all. As it is stated now, it seems rather vague and pointless. Also, J. Schmitt is absolutely right about rollers. They are much more efficient and cost effective than aerosol, plus you don't look like you had a flour fight from all the overspray.

Recently, I have had some breakthrough with this and been able to really stare at the front sight, like a cat watching a laser pointer on the wall. What a glorious difference! I relate it to the problem of closing your eyes when the gun goes off. Until I began to control that reaction, I had to force my eyes as wide open as possible. I mean really hold them open ridiculously wide while I shot to eventually train them to fight the instinct of closing at the shot. I've been doing the same thing watching the sight. Fighting tooth and nail to stare at that front sight no mater where it goes or where the previous shot went. When I do this successfully, I can remember staring at my front sight, but I cannot remember what the rear sight looked like or what the targets looked like and it doesn't matter. My focus was on the front sight, my brain figured the rest out and my body executed. Frequency in shooting is important here because when I go a month or more without pulling the trigger, I have to "re-learn" these things for the first part of my range session before I can move on.

EXACTLY and you should buy one. They work great... super quiet. Extra power absorbs more of the recoil impulse. The rifle cycles faster and feels softer with less slamming effect in the buffer tube, especially with a low mass carrier and adjustable gas.