marmot452

(Not a very constructive thread for the BE forums so I thought I would pose the question here) If its not a done deal yet, I'll stand fast and wait. That said, I don't see the need for a minimum barrel length. If you're complying with the prevailing laws, it should all be good.

I'm interested in shooting PCC but my 9mm AR has a 7.5 inch barrel. Yes, I have a stamp from Uncle Sam. Can anyone tell me the rationale behind the 10 inch barrel limit? If I run it with a suppressor (muzzle device) would that make it legal? Yes, I have a stamp for the can too.

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Curt, I'll take 6 of the #277, with handles. Thanks for putting it together.

Aren't you supposed to be practicing?

Yeah you do that Ted. But I think you're going to be the only one left shooting revolver. The rest of us will be shooting our illegal, ultra-gamey 6 shot guns in USPSA or ICORE, or whatever. Hell, I'm about ready to play dress-up and shoot Cowboy Action. All the lobbyists for the current rules should be ashamed for pulling the wool over the BoDs. And the Board should be ashamed for treating revolver as an afterthought, again. Or was there more to it? Whoever wrote these rules either had no conception about shooting a revolver in competition or seriously wanted to kill off this division. My plan of action is to no longer shoot revolver in IDPA. I have not made up my mind on staying an IDPA "member." I hope the Board and the anti-moon clip crowd are happy.

Ted Murphy: Since you seem to be gathering info to share to with the HQ, I'll try to keep this organized for you: My problem(s) with the revolver rule changes... 1. The arbitrary and abrupt way these changes impact shooters logistically and financially. When the 5" guns were outlawed, there was a time period in which folks could make changes or switch to the flat guns -- as many did. 2. The ammo carrier changes. Rule changes published with no firm understanding of what is legal and what isn't. And if shooters at the Nats had their holders positioned incorrectly, you correct them, (as I saw you do), mark their sheet and gig them at the next stage if they do it again. FTDR, procedural, take your pick. The rule change on carrier position was just a damn lazy way of fixing the issue of SOs too afraid to piss off a cheater. 3. 7 and 8 round guns competing against 6 shot guns. Huh? No kidding the BoDs don't know about wheelguns. They sure as heck don't know how stage design affects wheelgunners. I don't bitch about "revolver friendly" or that garbage, but just look at how the 9+1 and 10+1 problem has hurt ESP. And before you repeat the mantra about banning moonclips, I don't think it ever should have been an either/or proposition. I welcomed the rumors about two revolver divisions at the 2004 Nats! But they should have been a SIX SHOT speedloader and a SIX SHOT moonclip division - that levels the playing field, and gives revolver shooters twice the opportunity to run the guns we love. I'm cool with running a 165 pf. I cut my teeth shooting 200+ pf on pins so bring it on. I know when IDPA was set up revolvers were an afterthought. But whatever vocal minority poured honey into all those HQ ears did a tremendous disservice to the hardcore wheelgunners. And HQ compounded that disservice by not doing their homework on how these changes would affect the membership. The weight limit and barrel measurement issues? Those are just "typos." I believe someone at S&W will show HQ how to measure a barrel and weigh a gun. That'll get sorted out but damn, just another sign that wheelgunners were an afterthought. I've gotta quit posting, I'm ready to chew my own brass!

I'm going to have to agree with some the other posts here. Now may be the time to scale back on what I spend on IDPA. Hard as it is for me to admit, since I am a dyed-in-the-wool IDPA revolver fan - but maybe it was providence that my first USPSA membership card arrived last week. I've got deep philosophical disagreements with the gamey side of ipsc - but at least all of my equipment is still legal. HQ seems to want to kill off revolver. Careful what you wish for.

The road to ruin is paved with good intentions. I'm going to have to disagree that this is a "nice" fix. We now have a gamer revolver division where the 8 shot custom revolver will dominate and an entry level division that uses speedloaders. I just hope SSR will draw new shooters in. I'm hopeful but not betting money on it. Since we're airing our opinions -- what was the "issue" with two speedloaders in front and one behind the holster? Anybody out there in the BOD actually carry a revolver? Try sitting on two speedloader holders next to your L4-L5 vertebrae! What in the name of Zeus' balls is that one about! And what the heck is a "tension device that positively locks" the speedloader/moon clip in the carrier? Are the spring steel holder legal? Specific holsters are cited but nada about revolver ammo carriers. Gotta find some IPSC and ICORE shooters to dump my gear on!

Regarding ESR: I was happy with the idea of a moonclip and a speedloader division since I love to shoot both types of revolver. What I question was the addition of the 7 and 8 shot cylinders. How does that make the playing field more level? Somebody help me wrap my mind around that one.

tightloop: why "no plans to shoot revolver"? Just curious. You just need to watch Bill Nesbitt shoot the wheelgun - that's all the inspiration you'll need.