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The specific new rule may be more enforceable on its own but there is still plenty of room for regional judgement calls: 8.1 Firearms – General All equipment used in Defensive Pistol divisions at matches must meet the following simple guidelines: Equipment must be practical for self-defense rather than using ‘competition only’ or ‘race gear’. It must be suitable for all-day continuous wear and concealed. If you can’t carry it completely concealed in public to defend yourself, you can't shoot or use it in a Defensive Pistol division for competition. Another criterion used to assess gear will be to ask how this would appear to John Q. Public in a local public space with others in regions where open carry is not permitted. Reference: IDPA Official Rulebook 10-26-96 Gear permitted for Defensive Pistol competition must be specifically designed for everyday defensive carry and must be completely concealed. This includes firearm accessories, aftermarket parts, holsters, ammunition carriers, and garments that are not otherwise specified in the current rulebook. Regional Coordinators in consultation with HQ will review and decide which equipment best meet IDPA criteria to assist Area Coordinators and Match Directors as needed. This will be determined by a combination of reviewing manufacturer websites, industry surveys, and visiting public venues to determine whether a product is compatible with the principles of the sport. Having the word competition in the name will not itself be reason alone to exclude a piece of equipment. The intent of this guideline is to be inclusive and open to new types of gear provided it is oriented towards the concealed carry markets. and 8.5 Holsters 8.5.1.1 Must be suitable for all day concealed carry or duty style holsters and worn on each stage regardless of the start position. Based on those rules I would say that a 1" spacer should not be allowed even if the outside of the holster is within the new 3" limit.

The “other divisions” with 15 rounds is only SSP. Whether or not that is a good idea is a whole ‘nother discussion.

Is there an official announcement of Limited Optics and its division requirements anywhere? I can’t find it on the USPSA website and I haven’t seen anything in the emails from USPSA (and I’m not reading all 56 pages of this thread again to look for it).

14 stages in one day does make for a very long day. On stage four the wall was easy (and easy to do safely) and fun. There were no secret rules. It was run under USPSA rules with the exception of additional revolver divisions. All stages including stage four were used in the USPSA sanctioned Western States Single Stack Championship on Saturday and Sunday with no changes. The squads did RO themselves. This match is a low key addition to WSSSC and has always been run that way. I don't know if it was stated on the Practiscore registration page as it it might be one of those "everybody knows" things that gets left out. I believe that the fact that there was no lunch and that it was one day was on the registration page. 14 stages in one day does make for a very long day.

The rule says the width of the mag and it is the distance from the belt not the body so I'd think that most any carry type holster would work. But I'm not sure any of the specifications matter now that 8.1 mandates that MDs make judgement calls on whether or not the equipment meets some pretty vague "practical" criteria. Like gear must be specifically designed for everyday carry and NOT for competition use. What drop/offset hanger is sold because moving the gun down and away from the belt is better for concealment? 8.1 Firearms – General Equipment: All equipment used in Defensive Pistol divisions at matches must meet the following simple guidelines: equipment must be practical for self-defense use. It must be suitable for all-day continuous wear and concealed. And must be worn in a manner that would be suitable for all-day continuous wear. The match director will be REQUIRED to disallow any equipment that does not meet these simple criteria. If you wouldn't carry it in public to defend yourself, you can't shoot or use it in a Defensive Pistol division for competition. [1] Another criterion used to assess gear will be to ask how this would appear to patrons in a local shopping mall or supermarket in regions where open carry is not permitted. If you can conceal your pistol holster with a light windbreaker and comfortably draw your pistol while seated in an automobile with bucket seats, your holster is probably okay. [2] -- Reference: [1] & [2] IDPA Official Rulebook 10- 26-96 Equipment Guidelines: Gear permitted for Defensive Pistol competition must be specifically designed for everyday carry (NOT for range or competition use) and must be completely concealed. This includes firearm accessories, aftermarket parts, holsters, ammunition carriers, and garments that are not otherwise specified in the current rulebook. Regional Coordinators in consultation with HQ will review and decide which equipment best meet IDPA criteria to assist Area Coordinators and Match Directors as needed. This will be determined by a combination of reviewing manufacturer websites, industry surveys, and visiting public venues to determine whether a product is compatible with the principles of the sport.

I was at CZ Custom last week and I’m pretty sure that I saw one in the display case. They do show one in stock on their website. https://czcustom.com/new-firearms/dan-wesson-elite-pistols/dw-ss-custom-cal-40-s-w.html

Yes, because adding Open and Classic divisions to an otherwise USPSA rules match causing it to already have more shooters signed up than were at USPSA Revo Nationals this year is clearly a bad sign. If a sanctioning body is important to you that’s your business, but running an unsanctioned match is hardly a sign of the end times. The match came about because the Western States Single Stack MD started shooting revolver and thought it would be fun to add a revolver match to the match weekend. I believe that the revo match was added in 2015. They recently added the outlaw divisions because shooters asked for them.

It is run under USPSA rules but with additional equipment divisions for open and Classic. That’s the extent of the outlawishness. Same stages as the fully legal USPSA level II Western States Single Stack Championship that follows on Saturday and Sunday.

I don’t recall seeing this in any of the previous “coke bottle” threads. Can you provide some data to back up this statement?

Well, as the IDPA rules require a story if it’s not a Standards stage, I don’t see that happening. 6.1.1.1 Scenario Stages represent a civilian self-defense situation that could actually happen. Scenario Stages must have a written scenario description reflecting this and will use appropriate props and targets with Unlimited Scoring. It’s pretty much irrelevant anyway as the short story length scenario shouldn’t contain any actual instructions so just don’t read it.

How is allowing them as part of the WSB problematic?

Is it announced somewhere or is USPSA just emailing those registered for them or ???

It's not in the rule book, it is in the Match Administration Rules which is described as "a rule book supplement" on its first page. M-5.3 On the day of the match, your age determines the category: M-5.3.1 Junior Member - 12th birthday through 17 years of age M-5.3.2 Typical Member -18th birthday through 49 years of age M-5.3.3 Senior Member - 50th birthday through 64 years of age M-5.3.4 Distinguished Senior Member - 65th birthday and older

And, as the OP said, under 8.6.2 Magazine Carriers the new rule book says “8.6.2.1 Must be suitable for concealed carry and all-day continuous wear.” How does making the SO show the specific subjective rule help here? Maybe it gets it bumped up to the MD but still just a judgment call that isn’t valid anywhere else. Best thing is probably to ask the Area Coordinator for his opinion on the specific mag carrier that you want to use and see what he says. Then you at least have an answer that is valid for more than one club.

I bought black by default until I got old. Now I only buy holsters and mag pouches in bright colors so I can find them when they try to hide in the shadows in my gear bags.