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Thanks - that's what I suspected. Right, but since sight radius is not relevant with a red dot, that's not really a factor in CO. Again, so many factors involved in slide motion and muzzle rise that it's hard to isolate any one characteristic and attribute better performance to it... so just curious about general impressions and any actual results with full size vs commander/carry length.

I'm thinking about getting into CO Division, and am curious on what's been working best for people in terms of slide length. As a long time Master in Open and Limited, I'm very familiar with the two primary benefits of a longer slide in other those divisions....longer sight radius (for iron sights), and more muzzle velocity with a longer barrel (advantage for making major PF). But for a minor gun with a red dot, neither of these are really a factor. It could also be argued that, at least to some extent, a longer slide provides more static weight in the dust cover to mitigate muzzle movement in recoil... but this is offset somewhat by also having more reciprocating mass in the longer slide, as well as more heft to slow down transitions. So many variables to consider here, that it's probably best to leave this factor out. So what do the CO shooters among us prefer, and why? Full length slide, or commander/carry length slide?

I'd vote for Freedom Gunworks - his guns are rock solid. Also, I have a Matt Cheely 9 Major that has run without a single malfunction for going on two years now (!!)

Yep, I could. But it would be kind of a pain to do, so in the mean time I have just been doing manual PractiScore updates.

I'd love to see some integrated in-app upgrade capability... I maintain 8 Nooks, and have them all set up with the same Google account; only a couple of them will let me download PractiScore updates from Google Play (long story, but it's apparently related to the devices thinking that it is already installed since it has already been downloaded/installed on the other Nooks set up on the same Google account). For all the others, I have to go to the PractiScore site, download the apk, and install manually.. not a big deal really, but annoying to have to do over and over again on multiple devices.

I think showing the HF on the list screen is a good idea - it verifies that a time was entered, and gives a good quick reference to verify that it's in the right ball park.

I've tried MG 121s, Zero 125 JHPs and MG 115 JHPs. The 115s were definitely softer-shooting. As soon as I tried them, I knew there would be no going back... more powder = more gas = taking more advantage of the comp. I currently use Vectan SP2 - when I run out of that I'll either go back to Silhouette, or try HS-6. In terms of accuracy, the MG 121s were absolutely amazing... like 1.5" at 50yds. But the 125s and 115 were also very good.

A class from Mike would be awesome - I'm sure he's an encyclopedia of 3-gun knowledge. But as far as the basics of using the BRT reticle, there's not much too it... Chrono your loads, run your load data in one of the established ballistic calcs (like JB, or "Shooter" for Android), and figure out a center cross hair zero distance that also zeros you at 300 at the first hold-over line. (This will depend on your load, but for most that I've seen, the center cross-hair zero ends up between 150 and 200 yards.) With this approach, the drop is very linear out to 500 yards, so I am spot on at 300yds at the first hold-over (1 mil drop), right in there at the first hold-over dot (2 mil drop) at 400 yards, and damn close to the second hold-over line (3 mil drop) at 500 yards. And at medium range, pretty much any load will be very flat from about 75yards through about 200 yards, so there's no issue with holding center POA on steel all through this range at any magnification setting. There are some other tricks I use if I want to get real precise at any particular yardage, but the 1 mil spacing for the hold-overs on this scope makes the basics very easy to work with.

What about an upgraded trigger?

I've found the data from the Swaro program to be a bit off... I called Swaro and had a good chat with both the reticle designer, and the software engineer, and confirmed this.

I've seen a lot of misinformation on the BRT measurements... the real data is as follows: Dot size is 1/3mil, or ~1.1moa at 6x... (2mil ~6.9moa at 1x) Cross hairs and hold-over lines subtend 1/8mil (~.43moa) at 6x; heavy posts subtend .5mil (~2moa) at 6x Hold-over dots are the same as the center dot; they subtend 1/3mil (~1.1moa) at 6x Distance between each hold-over point, center-to-center, is 1mil (~3.438moa) at 6x Bracket width from heavy post to heavy post is 12mil (41.3moa) at 6x Hold-over line widths are 2mil, 4mil, and 6mil at 6x (windage markers bisect each half of the hold-over lines)

That was fast... like Open-gun fast... but probably not sub-.10 Sweet stages in that match, by the way.

I guess doubling and bump-firing are different, and shouldn't be confused with one another... but whatever it's to be called, the two shots you're referring to in the first video do not appear to me to be two intentional "presses" of the trigger.

Nice shooting - those are some very fast splits in the second video... (which is impressive to me only due to the fact that they were combined with really fast transitions too) However... in the first video, it sounds like the gun doubled. And in the second video, I'm thinking that the timer must have picked up an echo... (I've seen doubles recorded at .08 on a timer before, and they sound distinctly different than fast splits.)

Well said, Mark. (And yes, my name is Aaron, and I'm still not complaining! : ) Our stage/squad-management process is exactly the same as you describe, which I think works well. Honestly, I can't say I ever really hear any whining about shooting order in our area. In terms of registration, we have made it a priority to minimize the steps the morning of the match in order to get on with the shooting as early as possible. To that end, I have found the following to work very well: -- Pre-register - and squad - via Shoot 'N Score It SSI is free, and it captures all the info needed to map-out a match.... including online self-squadding. (I keep an eye on the number of ROs pre-registering on each squad, and make sure there is even coverage) -- Export SSI pre-registration, import it directly into PractiScore. There is no need to use EWS at all as an intermediary here!! The PS folks have really done us a service with this one! SSI can export to an Excel file, which (after a few tweaks) can be saved as a .csv file that PS imports perfectly. -- Match Day - Register walk-ons, finalize squads There are inevitably some folks who don't pre-register, or who pre-register and don't show. But dealing with a few changes the morning of the match is MUCH faster and easier to manage than registering everyone as they come. At any rate, it sounds like Ken has already agreed to add a "random-per-stage" option that will work to everyone's satisfaction, so not much of a need to continue debating that. If it's not too technically challenging to implement, I for one would appreciate the capability to drag and drop shooters when in a particular squad on a stage scoring screen... this would take the stage-to-stage memorization out of dropping down one name in the order when switching stages for those that run squads this way. But as Mark said, there are more important fixes/tweaks that the PS folks are working on, so really no need to go nuts over shooting order options at this point.

Thanks for the heads-up - gald to hear it's on the list. At my club, we keep the Nooks with the squads... and I always assign shooters to squads before syncing all the Nooks and handing them out to each squad. I'm not sure why changing around the order would cause any issues, as it's really just a sort (?)

Would it be posible to allow us to maually re-order shooters? Since most squads start with a given order (be it randomized, by last name, by competitor number, etc.), but then move the first shooter to the end after each stage, it would be great to be able to drag-and-drop shooters into a custom order where so-desired.

Good idea... I think I'll go that route until this is sorted out.

On Android, it shows division for all shooters in the name field, so there's no way to distinguish re-entries. (Showing division for all is a good thing - for re-entries I'd suggest a simple "RE" flag) This has caused scoring mistakes every month at my club... Devin and I have traded e-mails on this a couple times - I was hoping it was in the works at this point.

Thanks for the update on works in progress, Ken. On the top of my list would be flagging of re-entries. Any eta on that?

As others have said, you certainly don't need a 2011 to progress to the next level. But they are great guns, and many folks (myself included) prefer them to any other platform. So if you want to move forward with a new Limited gun, here are my thoughts: 1) Check out a bunch of 2011s here on the forums, and at the next few matches to get an idea of what you like. (You've probably already done this ; ) I've found that most shooters are proud to show off their pistols to those who are interested in checking them out. You may even get to test fire a couple, which is a great way to get an idea of not only what feels good in your hand, but what tracks/cycles the way you like. 2) Get in touch with a good gunsmith. You can go full-custom, where the gun will be built from scratch with the parts and look that you want... or semi-custom, where there are some standard build options that you get to choose from. You may save a little money going the semi-custom route, but the extra personal attention of a full-custom build will result in a truly amazing finished product. There are many great custom gunsmiths - most of whom have a presence here on the forums. It's no secret that I personally prefer Bobby at Freedom Gunworks; the quality of his work is simply amazing, and his prices and lead times are VERY reasonable. 3) Discuss your wants/needs with your gunsmith of choice to finalize your options for the build. Many gunsmiths have prefered "go-to" setups, which are never a bad way to go - they have become go-to setups because they have proven to work really well! If you're coming from an XD now, you are used to a fairly light gun with a longish/lightened slide. You would probably feel right at home in a ultralight 6" 2011... short dust cover frame, tri-topped and lightened slide, maybe even a spiral-fluted barrel. (This happens to the Bobby's specialty, so FGW would be a good choice for this set-up) 6" guns shoot great - very soft, nice long sight radius to help with accuracy and shot calling... A good platform to take you from B to Master. There are a lot of options in terms of the small parts, but your gunsmith can walk you through some proven combinations of parts that work well together and are within your budget.

Great match Dean! I particularly enjoyed the long range stage (alway my fav) and stage 3. Thanks to Lancer for their support!!

It bears repeating - thank you for your service, and welcome to Brian Enos Forums!

Did you happen to ask if that is gain twist? Also, does anyone know about their .40 barrels... 1:16?