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9mm Major Accuracy


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I recently got an STI open gun in 9mm and 38 super, 2 different barrels. I had all the components to load 9mm so I did. I loaded them with the following:

124 gr xtreme HP

Fed small rifle primers

6.8 gr of autocomp (to make major)

1.165 OAL

Everything cycles properly but the accuracy is bad. I mean at 15 yards I could not get a group at all. One bullet will hit center then one will hit about 6 inches low then another will hit a few inches either eight or left. And this even worse at 25 yards, at times it doesn't even hit paper.

I then put some regular blazer brass 115 gr and thw gun grouped the way it is suppose to. What can you all tell me to do to get the consistency and accuracy of the bullets. I know it's not the gun because it grouped well with the stock blazer ammo.

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But why would the barrel group well when I put regular stock rounds? I think if it was the barrel then it wouldn't group with anything I shoot through it. Also the barrel has about 1000 rounds out of it. I think Sarge might be right and the copper is sheering off

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But why would the barrel group well when I put regular stock rounds? I think if it was the barrel then it wouldn't group with anything I shoot through it. Also the barrel has about 1000 rounds out of it. I think Sarge might be right and the copper is sheering off

Also keep in mind, reloading is fun but sometimes very perplexing. Your gun might just simply not like those bullets. Or the oal with those bullets. Or your powder with those bullets. Or your crimp with the bullets. Weight of the bullets. I guess my point is there are a ton of variables. In my testing when I changed oal by a mere 1/1000th my groups would tighten or loosen AND move from one place to another on the target such as 3 oclock, 10 oclock etc. I probably would loosen up the crimp a little and try again. Then I would start making them longer and shorter, add or drop powder as needed and keep testing. If they don't eventually start grouping I think the gun don't like them.

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But why would the barrel group well when I put regular stock rounds? I think if it was the barrel then it wouldn't group with anything I shoot through it. Also the barrel has about 1000 rounds out of it. I think Sarge might be right and the copper is sheering off

Also keep in mind, reloading is fun but sometimes very perplexing. Your gun might just simply not like those bullets. Or the oal with those bullets. Or your powder with those bullets. Or your crimp with the bullets. Weight of the bullets. I guess my point is there are a ton of variables. In my testing when I changed oal by a mere 1/1000th my groups would tighten or loosen AND move from one place to another on the target such as 3 oclock, 10 oclock etc. I probably would loosen up the crimp a little and try again. Then I would start making them longer and shorter, add or drop powder as needed and keep testing. If they don't eventually start grouping I think the gun don't like them.

Thank you. I will try all those things. I am also going to try montana gold. I hear that they should be better for the velocities that I am trying to reach to make major pf. Thank you all for the input.

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But why would the barrel group well when I put regular stock rounds? I think if it was the barrel then it wouldn't group with anything I shoot through it. Also the barrel has about 1000 rounds out of it. I think Sarge might be right and the copper is sheering off

Also keep in mind, reloading is fun but sometimes very perplexing. Your gun might just simply not like those bullets. Or the oal with those bullets. Or your powder with those bullets. Or your crimp with the bullets. Weight of the bullets. I guess my point is there are a ton of variables. In my testing when I changed oal by a mere 1/1000th my groups would tighten or loosen AND move from one place to another on the target such as 3 oclock, 10 oclock etc. I probably would loosen up the crimp a little and try again. Then I would start making them longer and shorter, add or drop powder as needed and keep testing. If they don't eventually start grouping I think the gun don't like them.
Thank you. I will try all those things. I am also going to try montana gold. I hear that they should be better for the velocities that I am trying to reach to make major pf. Thank you all for the input.
MG bullets are all I shoot in my open gun currently. I have some Xtremes I will load up for testing and practice and I have even shot a few BBI and blue bullets. While they are all fine bullets they really are not ideal in open for various reasons. You will find in the end you will be better served by true jacketed bullets for main diet
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Diameter of the bullets can also have a lot of bearing on how accurate they are. For years I've been using 130 gr LSWC which mike at .359 to .360. Thought I'd try some coated and they mike .356 and are horribly inaccurate, shot some more of the LSWC and back to excellent accuracy. No crimp on either, just straighten the case walls so they match a straight edge. Same brass, same load, same primers and OAL.

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Xtremes have horrible accuracy for me as well. A friend of mines daughter did a science fair project on major pf accuracy. Xtremes were horrible, montana golds were cutting the same hole, precision delta was in second place with a nice Groupe but not cutting the same hole very often. And rainier etc were meh. All with 10 shot groups. I only use montana golds. They feed the best, preform the best. Just plain old the best imo

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I repeadly hit a 12 by 12 inch gong at 313meters with plated bullets in my opengun.

That is unbelievable ...

How high do you aim?

What power scope are you using?

No scope, just the c-more slideride 6moa, the point of aim was a bush/small tree that would move in the wind and was pretty bad to aim at really. not sure how high it was really, but spotter said something over 2 meters aprox.

we were doing long range shooting match, PRS style and had some time to kick afterwords, had a good spotter behind me to call corrections, and I lay on the ground, with gun resting on .. well a rest bag.

We were 3 shooters takeing turns spotting/shooting, all which put rounds on the plate (my gun)

More interesting was how fast and accurate you could hit the general area within say 30 inches at high rounds of fire.

ipsc geco had better accuracy than my 9 major rounds, but my 9 major was better than S&B and magtech. magtech had some weird fly aways and was not reliable at all.

gun was SVI with schumann 5.5" barrel.

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