sschultz Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 If in a match with self resetting mini poppers is it a hit if the shooter hits the bolt at the bottom of the popper but the popper doesn't move. Also if the shooter hits the target stand and make the target wiggle. It doesn't seem to me that either situation is neutralized target. Is there a standard policy regarding that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraj Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 4.3.1.5 Scoring metal targets must be shot and fall or overturn to score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sschultz Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 That's for a falling target what about a self resetting target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Since you didn't refer to a rule set- It's neutralized when the RO calls "HIT". Now, when does the RO call hit? Hopefully consistently with as close to the same amount of movement as possible for each and every shooter. I tend to be more lenient, shooter gets the benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sschultz Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 Bryan if a shooter hits the stand and the target just wiggles a little would you call a hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraj Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 In uspsa it has to fall to score. You seem to be talking about 3 gun so Ill stay out of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 2 hours ago, sschultz said: Bryan if a shooter hits the stand and the target just wiggles a little would you call a hit Was it a hinged plate, or sitting on the stand. Either way, if it's a "falling plate" it has to fall. If you hit a regular popper low and it doesn't fall, it doesn't count, neither would a self setting popper. Every 3 gun match I've shot and R.O.'d did it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sschultz Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 Dan it was a small mini popper on a stand with the spring reset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 No, if the hit was on the stand, I would not call it hit. If the plate move reward, even if not a lot, I would call it. The issue is how much does it have to move? If it stands at rest at 90 degrees, obviously 10 degrees (in relation to the base) is a hit. 45, probably so too. 75? Maybe? I completely understand what you're saying- it's arbitrary. Autopoppers are great training tools, not so much when a major is on the line. We use them at locals some times, but I'd not use them at a major. But, I don't believe any rule sets cover autopoppers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothandnail Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) We put deflectors on all ours, does 2 things. 1. removes the "I think it moved" calls /questions 2. keeps the bolts from getting shot off so fast. They still break, but last 80% longer, hardly ever replace one during a 250 shooter match - vs - checking and replacing several at noon , and at the end of each day. Edited June 28, 2017 by toothandnail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sschultz Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 That sounds like a good idea. I'm going to suggest to our club that we put a recycled tire block in front to cover the stand and up to the bolts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziebart Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Tire, or 4x4 both would help solve this problem. It also ensures hits are higher and makes the popper move more when hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 12 hours ago, sschultz said: Dan it was a small mini popper on a stand with the spring reset Yup, what are sometimes known as Skinny Sammies. Hit the base, popper doesn't move, no hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in TN Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Hit it with a 308 and the popper falls back so far the front legs come off the ground. To the point that you think the whole thing is going to tip over backwards and you won't have a second shot. No matter how many times I shoot steel with .308 it still makes me giggle a little. And it never fails to excite the onlookers. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 9 hours ago, Matt in TN said: Hit it with a 308 and the popper falls back so far the front legs come off the ground. To the point that you think the whole thing is going to tip over backwards and you won't have a second shot. No matter how many times I shoot steel with .308 it still makes me giggle a little. And it never fails to excite the onlookers. ;-) Till the damn target breaks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sschultz Posted June 29, 2017 Author Share Posted June 29, 2017 Our stage had 2 broken steel targets due to 308 strikes. All the other stages had similar issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sschultz Posted June 29, 2017 Author Share Posted June 29, 2017 But I still like watching them shoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 It's fun when a flash target almost becomes a spinner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benelli Chick Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 11 hours ago, Dan Sierpina said: It's fun when a flash target almost becomes a spinner! When you use those skinny sammies as flashers at less then 100 yards, they are spinners with .308...but they don't last very long! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 9 hours ago, Benelli Chick said: When you use those skinny sammies as flashers at less then 100 yards, they are spinners with .308...but they don't last very long! :-) A couple years ago at FN 3 Gun, on the boat stage I think, there was a flasher at a little over 100 yards, when I hit it with a 135 SMK, the thing moved better than I could do on a spinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sschultz Posted June 30, 2017 Author Share Posted June 30, 2017 Denise at least JJ didn't kill any of our targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 He did at Blue Ridge years ago. Broke the spring on a Sammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermobollocks Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 It's what the written stage briefing says the target must do. "Paper must have one A/B hit or two anywhere to neutralize. Knockdown plates must fall, clays must break, shotgun spinner must spin, and rifle flashers must flash to score. RO will call hits on rifle flashers, and 'over' on spinner. Failure to spin spinner will incur two misses and a 30 second procedural." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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