Hi-Power Jack Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Just came back from first range time with new AR .223 from ATI. Love the gun - BUT, cannot extract a live round manually - must fire the gun to "clear it". I can fire an entire mag, but nowhere along the line am I able to extract a live cartridge, manually. Cannot "show clear" unless I remove the mag and fire the last shot. Even without any ammo, if I let the slide slam shut, Very Difficult to retract the slide manually. Seems like the bolt is slightly too large and will shut closed if it's slammed shut - but, then tight as a drum - Very Difficult to "rack the slide" (sorry for using handgun terms, but I'm a Newbie with rifles). Is this normal? If not, what's the problem/solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef15 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Not normal. New gun, contact the manufacturer. Used gun/homebuild closely examine chamber and/or fired cases and/or ejected rounds for damage, try another bolt. If you ever need to eject a stuck in battery live round, "mortar" it. Collapse stock fully if not fixed, hold the forearm in weak hand, grasp charging handle with strong hand, hold rifle muzzle up, slam buttstock into ground/bench while pulling down on charging handle, the round will come out, or rarely the rim will distort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 Thanks, Beef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericm Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 You might try this: Lube, Lube, Lube.................and more Lube A touch of moly paste on the back of the bolt lugs continues the Lube theme. You literally CAN'T overlube an AR pattern gun. All mine run wet all the time and even new guns run smooth as butter after a short time USING LUBE!!! ericm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericm Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 To expand: The bolt should swim in lube in the bolt carrier....get the cam pin and the gas rings nice and wet as well... The carrier should swim in lube in the receiver till its like a race car piston....SMOOTH..... ....did I mention "USE LOTS OF LUBE"???? ericm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbran267 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 As mentioned before, use the mortar technique. Works every time, most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul-the new guy Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 reloads? If they are they need to be more fully resized. .223 Wylde chambers many times are really tight is it a wylde? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 Factory American Eagle 55 gr - sorry, forgot to mention that. Just heard back from ATI - they said to take gun apart and LUBE everything - just like Eric mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgj3 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Lube! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef15 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 They do run better on the wet side. Never had a lack of lube cause anything but very minor stiffness when hand cycled.Sent from my SM-G360V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Beef15 said: Never had a lack of lube cause anything but very minor stiffness. Not great news I'm going to strip it and lube it well tomorrow - see what happens.... ATI has offered to give me a shipping box if I cannot fix this .... Is it enough to lube the gun without stripping it ??? I lube my STI 2011 without taking the gun apart - front and rear of barrel and rails - never had a problem.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef15 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Just seperate the receivers, clean and lube carrier and bolt. Best to remove the bolt from the carrier to be thorough.Since it cycles when fired if the brass isn't deeply scratched or deformed I would run a hundred or more through it, check again, inspect for heavy wear, decide then. ARs do smooth out with use, but shouldn't need a break in for basic functions IMO.Sent from my SM-G360V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanb Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Does it lock back on empty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieD Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 (edited) Remove bolt carrier from weapon and check to see if you can move bolt back and forth with your hand. If you can, then the bolt is likely not your issue. If you can't then inspect the gas rings for sharp edges that would cause it to lock up inside the carrier. the other time I've experience what your describing was due to an out of spec gas key that was too small that would lock on to the gas tube. i would also suspect ammo if you haven't ruled that out yet. Edited June 7, 2017 by CharlieD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rishii Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Stupid question is it a carbine and did you check if you have a longer rifle buffer in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted June 7, 2017 Author Share Posted June 7, 2017 Thanks for all the ideas : 1. Factory American Eagle 55 gr ammo 2. 16" barrel 3. it's a used gun (not new) that has been "reconditioned" by ATI's gunsmiths 4. it locks back on empty 5. it runs fine, and the brass is fine - doesn't look scratched/deformed I'll take it apart later and report back ... Again, thanks for all the advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 I had a new 16" Nordic barrel that would do this when it was new. Very difficult to unload last round. Operated perfect. Had to mortar it several times at ULSC depending on factory ammo used, until it eventually broke in. But it was always very tight. It was a tack driver. gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted June 7, 2017 Author Share Posted June 7, 2017 That's a positive ... Thanks, Gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mveto Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 This will sound weird but check the gas tube and gas key on the BCG. The end of the gas tube that inserts into the gas key on the BCG may be damaged and when it heats up it will expand and lock into the gas key and lock up the gun. This happened to me a while back and I replaced the gas tube and have had no more issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted June 7, 2017 Author Share Posted June 7, 2017 Nothing sounds "weird" to me ... Knowing NOTHING about these damn things, I'll try anything. Thanks for the heads up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 The learning curve is steep at first, but eventually it will all work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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