polymerfeelsweirdman Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) Just wondering what people have tried. I know several people on here have had their guns sent for TiN or TiCN coatings and I think those came out great. I am currently interested in TiAlN http://www.calicocoatings.com/coating-data-sheets/titanium-aluminum-nitride-pvd-tialn-coating/ CrN http://www.calicocoatings.com/coating-data-sheets/chromium-nitride-pvd-crn-coating/ and a DLC coating such as http://www.calicocoatings.com/coating-data-sheets/calico-d-1-diamond-like-carbon-dlc-coating/ or http://www.calicocoatings.com/coating-data-sheets/calico-d-3-pecvd-coating/ The violet, black, and CrN dark silver all sound awesome looking but I have no idea how they would come out on a 1911 or if they would even be appropriate in terms of material properties for a pistol like TiCN/TiN are. Any thoughts or examples? Edited May 20, 2017 by polymerfeelsweirdman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desmo412 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 My pistol is a mix of chameleon pvd and TiAlN on the barrel, comp, and controls. It is a great looking finish and holds up really well. It is a darker Gray that perfectly matches an aluminum cmore slide ride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkvibe Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) DLC by Ionbond. Edited May 22, 2017 by darkvibe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Some of those process temps are pretty high, at what point will a lightened slide warp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polymerfeelsweirdman Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 13 hours ago, Desmo412 said: My pistol is a mix of chameleon pvd and TiAlN on the barrel, comp, and controls. It is a great looking finish and holds up really well. It is a darker Gray that perfectly matches an aluminum cmore slide ride Picture please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 14 hours ago, DWFAN said: Some of those process temps are pretty high, at what point will a lightened slide warp? Thats been my concern too about putting slides in that high temp process. however I now have 2 pvd guns. One is aiain (silver colour almost like hard chrome) and one is I believe AiCrn (gold/bronze colour). They are not really deep into their life but if the slide had become brittle through the process I think they would have cracked in the first 1,000 rounds. I'd suggest explain to any pvd coater that the slide is 4140 hc steel and see what they think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Thats been my concern too about putting slides in that high temp process. however I now have 2 pvd guns. One is aiain (silver colour almost like hard chrome) and one is I believe AiCrn (gold/bronze colour). They are not really deep into their life but if the slide had become brittle through the process I think they would have cracked in the first 1,000 rounds. I'd suggest explain to any pvd coater that the slide is 4140 hc steel and see what they think. How cut up/lightened are they? I dont know that Im so concerned with cracking as I am warpage. I know of a few slides that have warped from high temp processing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Both flat topped. Both have a channel cut on top for popple holes. One has panel cuts front and rear. One has through lightening cuts front and curved serrations rear (ck thunder). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Both flat topped. Both have a channel cut on top for popple holes. One has panel cuts front and rear. One has through lightening cuts front and curved serrations rear (ck thunder). Do you have pictures of the aiain? How does the hardness compare to regular hard chrome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) In the gallery there's an open gun pic thread. It's in there in the last page or so. Edit: this thread: I believe its AlCrn but can't be 100% sure as the maker had it coated. It could be TiAin. I havent tried to scratch it but the coating coating feels very hard (in cleaning) and it's very easy to clean (not porous at all). In certain light the silver shows a slightly darker grey/gold colour. Edited May 23, 2017 by BeerBaron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polymerfeelsweirdman Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 I could go for a burnt bronze/clay color like that middle one, but perhaps in glossy finish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 The matte/shiny finish depends mainly on how you prepare the metal prior to coating. If you polish it up you get a shinier finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooterj Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 This is PVD. It is very wear resistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I'm not sure all PVD coatings are created equal, but I've got a SS Infinity that was only carried in soft leather holsters and the trigger guard has spots where the holster rubbed through the DLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desmo412 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 13 hours ago, polymerfeelsweirdman said: Picture please? This is just a plastic cmore that Bobby put on to take the picture. I'll try to find a more recent picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) Calico doesn't do individual guns anymore so toss that idea. I had them to TiCN on my gun, and it's an amazing finish. A little (ok a lot) shiny, but the wear resistance is amazing. Edited May 23, 2017 by waktasz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltdmstr Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 As mentioned, Calico doesn't do individual guns, even for gunsmiths. Why not go with black nitride? It's a hard surface finish, not a coating, looks good, and if you use H&M, they do great work and get the gun back to you in two weeks tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkvibe Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, ltdmstr said: As mentioned, Calico doesn't do individual guns, even for gunsmiths. Why not go with black nitride? It's a hard surface finish, not a coating, looks good, and if you use H&M, they do great work and get the gun back to you in two weeks tops. Nitride is applied around 1000 deg F per the H&M website. DLC is more like 400 per the ionbond site. Worth considering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polymerfeelsweirdman Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 hour ago, waktasz said: Calico doesn't do individual guns anymore so toss that idea. I had them to TiCN on my gun, and it's an amazing finish. A little (ok a lot) shiny, but the wear resistance is amazing. I want the exact gloss and color of the top picture I looked at the websites for the other companies listed and some do offer TiCN but do not list prices There is also Robar that does NP3+ and Roguard but I don't think those are as durable or good looking as the bronze TiCN look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allischic Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 On 5/23/2017 at 6:25 AM, scooterj said: This is PVD. It is very wear resistant. Love the green, especially the barrel. Which finish is this and where did you have it done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911builder Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 these are all beautiful guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I think FGW uses Richter Precision in PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissionaryMike Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 19 hours ago, waktasz said: I think FGW uses Richter Precision in PA As an individual, they've made it much more difficult, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) They won't even respond to my emails. Edited October 29, 2017 by waktasz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRCNC Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 On 5/23/2017 at 12:28 AM, DWFAN said: How cut up/lightened are they? I dont know that Im so concerned with cracking as I am warpage. I know of a few slides that have warped from high temp processing. On 5/22/2017 at 9:58 AM, DWFAN said: Some of those process temps are pretty high, at what point will a lightened slide warp? From what we've been told by the PVD/DLC processor we work with is that the temps are 300-400 F, so warping shouldn't be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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