waktasz Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 DLC uses a much lower temp than TiN or TiCN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Are there any DLC processors that work with individuals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 17 minutes ago, DWFAN said: Are there any DLC processors that work with individuals? Springer Precision used to do Ionbond for individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Springer Precision used to do Ionbond for individuals.He is a gunsmith not the processor who applies the coatings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 I was looking at IonBond on a DW slide because I love black over stainless 1911s. Why are there so few companies willing to do individual guns? Obviously there is a market. My open gun with Accurate Plating hard chrome is gorgeous, and they want our business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPL15 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 (edited) It would seem the benefits of a PVD coating are more towards great cosmetic durability, great corrosion resistance, & far less risk of dimensional shifts / warping during application, but minimal protection from wear / functional durability once the coating is broken thru; where the benefits of a salt bath nitriding process would be towards wear resistance of the metal / long term functional durability, decent corrosion resistance, albeit w/ much higher risk of dimensional shifts / warping during application. 400-500 degrees for a PVD process is still high enough to impact / soften the heat treating of steel, depending on duration. 1000+ degrees for a salt bath will definitely impact the hardening of the surface Steel, & could make the part brittle depending how rapidly it is cooled. Would be interesting to see what the Rockwell C hardness is for the actual Steel after each treatment, both the Steel surface under the black coating & the material below the surface. Ideal would be high surface hardening of the Steel as in the nitriding process, but w/ the underlying Steel remaining at the 40 Rc typically Spec’d for gun parts. Edited January 1, 2018 by SPL15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltdmstr Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 On 1/1/2018 at 4:43 AM, SPL15 said: 1000+ degrees for a salt bath will definitely impact the hardening of the surface Steel, & could make the part brittle depending how rapidly it is cooled. Defiance and other companies have custom actions nitrided by H&M and those are used to build rifles that see pressure levels at least double that of a typical handgun cartridge. The idea that nitriding is going to compromise the parts is simply speculation and not based on fact. I've had plenty of 1911/2011s finished in black nitride, including hammers, sears, and pretty much everything except for springs. I have never had a single part fail. And some of those guns have 30k+ rounds through them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgj3 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 There are a few pistols pictured in this thread (and others on this site) with green surface treatments on various parts. Can someone point me to who did/does those treatments/finishes? Green-ish "chameleon" or "Rainbow Ti" looking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Richter Precision in PA does that coating for CK Arms as far as I know, but they won't even return your call if you aren't an FFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Scientist Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 On 1/1/2018 at 4:43 AM, SPL15 said: It would seem the benefits of a PVD coating are more towards great cosmetic durability, great corrosion resistance, & far less risk of dimensional shifts / warping during application, but minimal protection from wear / functional durability once the coating is broken thru; where the benefits of a salt bath nitriding process would be towards wear resistance of the metal / long term functional durability, decent corrosion resistance, albeit w/ much higher risk of dimensional shifts / warping during application. 400-500 degrees for a PVD process is still high enough to impact / soften the heat treating of steel, depending on duration. 1000+ degrees for a salt bath will definitely impact the hardening of the surface Steel, & could make the part brittle depending how rapidly it is cooled. Would be interesting to see what the Rockwell C hardness is for the actual Steel after each treatment, both the Steel surface under the black coating & the material below the surface. Ideal would be high surface hardening of the Steel as in the nitriding process, but w/ the underlying Steel remaining at the 40 Rc typically Spec’d for gun parts. I wonder WTF they are doing that requires 400 degrees. Not that I ever ran a TiN process myself, but the temperature control ensured nothing over 100C. (We had temp sensitive layers underneath) In fact the higest temp in the system was 120C in the degas. In fact if it is 'TRUE' PVD they have to be intentionally heating the firearm for it to reach that temperature since the process takes place in a near vacuum and it doesn't take much to give a nice coat. And Yes TiN is extremely hard and durable, not to mention a very pleasant gold color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absocold Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 NECROPOSTING IN AN OLD THREAD Seeking an update on who will do colored DLC/PVD for an individual and not take four forevers to do it. PS. And for the guy above asking about nitride (Melonite/Tennifer/whatever, it's all nitrocarborizing), it's fine on 4140 stainless but avoid it on 416 due to reduced corrosion resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 PVDamerica.com Spoke to them on facebook and they said they will do a gun for an individual and to email them. I did but didn't hear back yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 PVDamerica.com Spoke to them on facebook and they said they will do a gun for an individual and to email them. I did but didn't hear back yet. Please report back if they respond.Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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