Hi-Power Jack Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Make it 10,000 primers .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeEB Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Case fill is a great point. Titegroup really doesn't fill the case at all. Powders like True Blue (and my favorite for 9,silhouette) make a double charge VERY noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 18 minutes ago, Hi-Power Jack said: Make it 10,000 primers .... You're leading me down a dark and dirty path Tempting.. 2 minutes ago, DukeEB said: Case fill is a great point. Titegroup really doesn't fill the case at all. Powders like True Blue (and my favorite for 9,silhouette) make a double charge VERY noticeable. I was worried about that too, but I can't really figure out how much of the case is filled without having it in hand right? Since density differs from powder to powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 When I first work up loads for new calibers I always start with 1lb jugs. Yes, I pay through the nose for them, but it beats having 4lbs of a powder you decide you don't like. I stopped using VV powder because they were too temperature sensitive, and 50% more expensive. I can't stand TteGroup because it is dirty and burns really hot. It will melt your front FO. I don't like 231/HP-38, because it seems to have more recoil than others loaded to the same PF. It is also not the cleanest. Now that I have a lot of reloading experience under my belt, it is a lot easier. When working up a new load, I ask myself what exactly I want to accomplish. I always want consistency and accuracy, so they are givens. So, am I looking for the softest recoil possible for a given load? Then I will use small quantities of a relatively fast powder. If I'm trying to make a load where the muzzle rise is lowest, I'll load a light bullet, then use an appropriate powder. If I don't care and want less felt recoil, then I'll use a heavy bullet and a fast powder. If you want to learn the ropes and not confuse yourself, use a 124gr bullet and a powder in the Alliant e3 to Accurate #2 speed range. Buy one pound at the faster end and one at the slower.. Then see which you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeEB Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, SlvrDragon50 said: You're leading me down a dark and dirty path Tempting.. I was worried about that too, but I can't really figure out how much of the case is filled without having it in hand right? Since density differs from powder to powder. I think most manufacturers list the powder density. Here's a few from AA/Ramshot. Aa2 ulk Density(grams/cc) +/-5.5% 0.635 VMD(cc/grams) 1.575 Bulk Density(grains/cc) +/-5.5% 9.800 VMD(cc/grains) 0.102 From <http://www.accuratepowder.com/products/handgun/> Bulk Density(grams/cc) +/-3.6% 0.800 VMD(cc/grams) 1.250 Bulk Density(grains/cc) +/-3.6% 12.346 VMD(cc/grains) 0.081 From <http://www.ramshot.com/products/handgun/?view=7&product=Silhouette> Bulk Density(grams/cc) +/-3.6% 0.975 VMD(cc/grams) 1.026 Bulk Density(grains/cc) +/-3.6% 15.046 VMD(cc/grains) 0.066 From <http://www.ramshot.com/products/handgun/?view=8&product=TrueBlue> I just found this:http://www.tacticoolproducts.com/powder.pdf It lists titegroup as 10 Hodgdon Titegroup .0848 11.799 Uniform ignition, low charge wt, clean pistol powder Hodgdon does not appear to provide this data on their website. Also, slow powders will have a higher charge load than fast powders. Edited May 18, 2017 by DukeEB adding data Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 Thanks! I found Grafs which has some pretty good prices. I am considering buying this now: 1lb Accurate No. 2 (They don't sell Clean Shot, been reading this is pretty similar) 1lb Nobel Sport Vectan Prima-V (tons of people raving about this) 1lb Ramshot True Blue 1lb VV N320 (just to see why this is so expensive) 1k CCI Primers 3k Fiocchi Primers (been reading this is the second softest after Federal) 1k Winchester Primers Should I bother experimenting with primers? I don't mind buying a case of Fiocchi. I just don't want to end up with having to bump up to a 13# mainspring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowenbuilt Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Asking which powder is the best is a very "loaded" question. Powder, like bullets is sooo personal. Everyone has a difference opinion and the number of choices is like a Chinese menu, just too many choices. You will eventually find the best powder for YOU. But to do that you must spend some time with a lot of them. I really liked Prima V in its first batch, it was going to be my forever powder and then they changed it. ETR-7 was another great 9mm powder and then it became unobtainable just like SR 7625. You will find the one for you if you try them all and give each one an even chance. The newer AA2 is close to Clean Shot but just a little different. I doubt you could tell the difference between it a N320. Try them all and try them all with the different bullet weights and after about 10 years of wearing out your press you will settle on 2 or 3 favorite powders and bullet weights and styles. The combinations are endless. We are always searching for that best load, may it go on forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 AA2 is what I use with 135 gr Bayou's in my CZ's, I been experimenting with Prima V, my batch number worked great with 147's. In my DVC and Open 9mm I run 124 gr bullets. Tightgroup for minor and WAC and 7625 for major. Been running Fiocchi primers in all my loads except for my revolvers in which case I use Federals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rnlinebacker Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Use CFE pistol it meters really well in any powder measureSent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, bowenbuilt said: Asking which powder is the best is a very "loaded" question. Powder, like bullets is sooo personal. Everyone has a difference opinion and the number of choices is like a Chinese menu, just too many choices. You will eventually find the best powder for YOU. But to do that you must spend some time with a lot of them. I really liked Prima V in its first batch, it was going to be my forever powder and then they changed it. ETR-7 was another great 9mm powder and then it became unobtainable just like SR 7625. You will find the one for you if you try them all and give each one an even chance. The newer AA2 is close to Clean Shot but just a little different. I doubt you could tell the difference between it a N320. Try them all and try them all with the different bullet weights and after about 10 years of wearing out your press you will settle on 2 or 3 favorite powders and bullet weights and styles. The combinations are endless. We are always searching for that best load, may it go on forever. Yea, I'm reading all of the Prima V stuff now, and I'm a little hesitant now. Oh well, Prima V is pretty cheap so if it doesn't work out no big deal! Really happy to hear that feedback Darrell about the Fiocchi primers! Removed the Winchesters from my cart and replaced them all with Fiocchis. Are you able to use an 8.5# spring or do you still have to use the 11.5#? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmooberry Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Chris's Coin and Gun in Pekin is my go to place. CI does have done reloading stuff but I think it may be what you were referencing earlier when you were talking about prices. Pekin Gun and Sporting Goods is another good one. The store in Springfield is probably Scheels. You will pay a few extra dollars for things but the store is really neat. You could combine that with a trip to Loami to shoot the Lefthanders club match on the first weekend of the month! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted May 22, 2017 Author Share Posted May 22, 2017 Just placed an order through Powder Valley, looks like it will cost a bit more than Grafs (30-40 bucks), but I don't think they will require me to jump through hoops to get the package to me as a non-resident in Illinois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
858 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) I looked for a powder that worked for a bunch of different cartridges and bullet weights while being cheap. I tinkered until I got it to work and then spent the rest on more lead and range brass. Titegroup all the things. I don't care if it's dirty (it's no worse than other powders mentioned by others). Edited May 23, 2017 by 858 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 hours ago, 858 said: I looked for a powder that worked for a bunch of different cartridges and bullet weights while being cheap. I tinkered until I got it to work and then spent the rest on more lead and range brass. Titegroup all the things. I don't care if it's dirty (it's no worse than other powders mentioned by others). Perhaps after I finish loading these 7500 rounds! I didn't want to do Titegroup since I am consistently reading that it is very to explode your gun with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefty o Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 20 hours ago, SlvrDragon50 said: Just placed an order through Powder Valley, looks like it will cost a bit more than Grafs (30-40 bucks), but I don't think they will require me to jump through hoops to get the package to me as a non-resident in Illinois. powder valley is good, only hoop is signature required on delivery from fedex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I bought 20# of the old lot of Prima V. With Xtreme 147 plated, not the heavy plated, I had to go to 3.5 to get to 135pf. I'm out of coated bullets right now, but hope to be able to go down to 3.1. Wow, it's clean. When end I get thru the Prima V, gonna try Red Dot again. I used 4#, & liked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 5 hours ago, lefty o said: powder valley is good, only hoop is signature required on delivery from fedex. Yea, I will have to ask them to hold it at the Fedex facility for me to pick it up since I have an apartment with a door they can't get past Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARMAGEDON Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I just started with tite group. So far so good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
858 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, SlvrDragon50 said: Perhaps after I finish loading these 7500 rounds! I didn't want to do Titegroup since I am consistently reading that it is very to explode your gun with it. It's easy to explode your gun doing any number of things incorrectly. I'd be more concerned with squibs as a new reloader jumping into a fiddly progressive press right out of the gate. Edited May 23, 2017 by 858 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowenbuilt Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 I found the down side to Clean Shot. As soon as the weather got warm and humid it smokes like a freight train. Back to N320 and e3 for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R1_Demon Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 On 5/16/2017 at 5:02 PM, Hi-Power Jack said: I've been using WW231 / HP38 for DECADES ... right back to the Civil War. LMAO!!!! Now that is frickin' funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 40 minutes ago, R1_Demon said: LMAO!!!! Now that is frickin' funny! R1, you seem to be six weeks behind on your reading ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R1_Demon Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 38 minutes ago, Hi-Power Jack said: R1, you seem to be six weeks behind on your reading ... I save the best for last? LOL!!!! Sometimes I think I read these posts and then I start reading them and then I wonder if I did read them, so then I go to the beginning and start reading them again (or for the first time). Either that or someone else posted something fairly recently on it and brought it back and I had already "read" the entire part of that forum (by clicking the link), so I missed the earlier part of the thread, so then I started reading it for the first time. So, ya...I'm a bit slow and behind. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 WSF - Versatile, cheap, and usually available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtaylor07 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Started off with Bullseye, but after trying Prima V unless the price goes up dramatically I couldn't justify anything else. Clean, soft shooting, scary consistent variation in velocity (sub 5fps on half my rounds), and is even bulky enough to not even come close to allowing a double charge (doesn't cling to the case wall like bullseye does though, so less spilled powder) At what, $17 shipped from Graf's with a 10lb order, not a lot to not like. Even mimics my Bullseye load, 3.9gr 124 fmj makes 129pf. Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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