Leadpilot Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, 57K said: With cases so full there are definitely going to be compressed. After you load like this you may want to check your loads a day or 2 after to see if they are still the same OACL. I've set aside a few rounds with a couple different bullets to see if there is any growth and so far nothing. I use a U-die so the tension is bit better than the Dillon I was using. Edited May 16, 2017 by Leadpilot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersonj55126 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I found AA7 is slower than 3n38. AA7 is also much cheaper than 3n38. I can't comment on if either is dirty but they probably are not worse than HS6. The other nice thing about AA7 is that it is very dense compared to 3n38. Thus, AA7 does not fill the case up nearly as fast as 3n38. You can get a lot more grains of powder before compressing with AA7. Full-length barrel with 3 small holes. 9 major Berry 147 RN - 6.49gn HS6 - 1.200" - 9mm WIN - 1179.3fps -173.4PF Berry 147 RN - 7.2gn 3n38 - 1.230" - 9mm WIN - 1172.7fps -172.4PF Berry 147 RN - 8.02gn AA7 - 1.230" - 9mm WIN - 1174fps -172.6PF (this is an interesting load because is has the same amount of gas as 124 HS6 but lower pressure and softer) Berrys round nose bullet profile is nice in that you can load much longer than typical bullets. MG 124 JHP- 8.06gn HS6 - 1.170" - 9mm WIN - 1379.5fps - 171.1PF Berry 24 RNTP - 8.14gn HS6 - 1.199" - 9mm WIN - 1383.2fps -171.5PF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaylanGivens Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Loaded 8.5gr of 3n38 with a 124gr bullet and found it hard to push the bullet down in the case far enough to get a 1.165 OAL... Maybe that's just too much powder to compress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 On 4/27/2017 at 1:46 PM, blueeyedme said: Personally, I like WAC for 9maj. You will need 7.6 or so for a 115 and gas for the comp. 7.6???? Wow. It only takes me 7.2gr at 1.169" with a 115 to make 170PF. Plenty of gas to work the comp. If it took me more than 7.5gr of WAC to make PF, I'd start looking at other powders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 On 5/18/2017 at 10:01 AM, andersonj55126 said: I found AA7 is slower than 3n38. AA7 is also much cheaper than 3n38. I can't comment on if either is dirty but they probably are not worse than HS6. The other nice thing about AA7 is that it is very dense compared to 3n38. Thus, AA7 does not fill the case up nearly as fast as 3n38. You can get a lot more grains of powder before compressing with AA7. Full-length barrel with 3 small holes. 9 major Berry 147 RN - 6.49gn HS6 - 1.200" - 9mm WIN - 1179.3fps -173.4PF Berry 147 RN - 7.2gn 3n38 - 1.230" - 9mm WIN - 1172.7fps -172.4PF Berry 147 RN - 8.02gn AA7 - 1.230" - 9mm WIN - 1174fps -172.6PF (this is an interesting load because is has the same amount of gas as 124 HS6 but lower pressure and softer) Berrys round nose bullet profile is nice in that you can load much longer than typical bullets. MG 124 JHP- 8.06gn HS6 - 1.170" - 9mm WIN - 1379.5fps - 171.1PF Berry 24 RNTP - 8.14gn HS6 - 1.199" - 9mm WIN - 1383.2fps -171.5PF Nah, you are doing it all wrong! Slow powder AND light bullets hahaha 10.5 of AA7 with a 115 is pretty sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, d_striker said: 7.6???? Wow. It only takes me 7.2gr at 1.169" with a 115 to make 170PF. Plenty of gas to work the comp. If it took me more than 7.5gr of WAC to make PF, I'd start looking at other powders. I run 7.8 with mg 115's at 1.165ish. 7.4 when running 121's. Then again I shoot for 173 pf. Edited May 19, 2017 by Sarge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompsoncustom Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, Gooldylocks said: Nah, you are doing it all wrong! Slow powder AND light bullets hahaha 10.5 of AA7 with a 115 is pretty sweet. Ya it is. My barrel is really fast tho so i make 180pf with 10.0 grains still a great shooter tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeyedme Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 On 5/19/2017 at 2:14 PM, d_striker said: 7.6???? Wow. It only takes me 7.2gr at 1.169" with a 115 to make 170PF. Plenty of gas to work the comp. If it took me more than 7.5gr of WAC to make PF, I'd start looking at other powders. It's not about making 170, it's about how you like your gun to run. I run 7.5 on the MG121 - makes about 176PF and I love how the run runs. Don't be afraid of testing with more powder. You might like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moparnut88 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 I've been running 8.7 of silhouette with a 115. Runs well with a bedell comp and 2-3/16" popple holes. What is every one else running with silhouette?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmella Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 On 5/22/2017 at 3:15 PM, moparnut88 said: I've been running 8.7 of silhouette with a 115. Runs well with a bedell comp and 2-3/16" popple holes. What is every one else running with silhouette? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk For me 7.2 with a 124 coated bullet makes 165 Pf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Luck Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 On 4/26/2017 at 9:32 PM, kneelingatlas said: SP2 a and 3n38 use interchangeable load data, 9.4gr under a 115 @ 1.161 makes major and is listed in the online load manual It doesn't get any better if you ask me! Which manual and where can it be found? Everything I have or can find only has scant SP2 and 3n38 data. In process of working up 9mm major and have plenty of 3n38 on hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 35 minutes ago, No Luck said: Which manual and where can it be found? Everything I have or can find only has scant SP2 and 3n38 data. In process of working up 9mm major and have plenty of 3n38 on hand. http://www.vihtavuori.com/en/reloading-data/handgun-reloading/9-mm-luger.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superdude Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 you can use the 9X21 data as a guide for 9 Major. http://www.vihtavuori.com/en/reloading-data/handgun-reloading/9-x-21.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Luck Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 1 hour ago, kneelingatlas said: http://www.vihtavuori.com/en/reloading-data/handgun-reloading/9-mm-luger.html Only thing listed there is for 147's. I have a 2014 Vantec PDF that lists a few more. Current Vantec does not list SP2. 8.7 grains is about the max I can get in a 9x19 case (mixed head stamp) of 3n38. I'm currently playing around with 124 MG RN just as a starting point. Fired from a G17 with a KKM barrel and SJC comp. 8.6gr of 3n38 at 1.160 OAL, I'm averaging right at 1300 fps. Gonna start backing down the OAL to give it a boost in speed/pressure. Guessing I will have to go down to 1.145 to make major with a little extra for safety net. After I can get a 124 dialed in, next experiment will be 115's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Luck Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 1 hour ago, superdude said: you can use the 9X21 data as a guide for 9 Major. http://www.vihtavuori.com/en/reloading-data/handgun-reloading/9-x-21.html Yes and no. I would love to be able to get 9.4gr of 3n38 in a 9x19, but I don't see that happening. However, it does provide starting points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 (edited) 43 minutes ago, No Luck said: Yes and no. I would love to be able to get 9.4gr of 3n38 in a 9x19, but I don't see that happening. However, it does provide starting points. I've loaded tens of thousands of rounds at 9.4gr of SP2 (same burn characteristics as 3N38, although a hair more dense) I've even gone as high as 10gr! It's a full case, but if you don't run the press like a drunken sailor you'll be fine. Edited July 2, 2017 by kneelingatlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Luck Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 I'll give it a go. I would rather add powder than shorten OAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Luck Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Also, anyone have any experience with BA 7 1/2? I also plan on playing around with couple more powders to see what feels best in this setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superdude Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 12 hours ago, No Luck said: Yes and no. I would love to be able to get 9.4gr of 3n38 in a 9x19, but I don't see that happening. However, it does provide starting points. Plenty of people here do it. You can too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js1130146 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 19 hours ago, No Luck said: I'll give it a go. I would rather add powder than shorten OAL. 9.5 3n38 under a 115 HAP at 1.175 was my load for my first year of open. Ive since gone to 124s and HS6 cause it's easier to load and I like the dot tracking better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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