MikieM Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 I'm going to test some WSF soon and wondered if anyone had any experience with the following load for 9mm (Minor PF), regarding accuracy and recoil: 4.5 grains WSF 124 grain PD JHP OAL 1.150 inches and, 4.7 grains WSF 124 grain PD JHP OAL 1.150 inches Thanks, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandw1dth Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Here are a few with 125 grain coated bullets out of a Tanfo Stock 2 (4.75" poly barrel) All Chrono'd on Caldwell Ballistic - 10' from sensor - 100' elevation - 80*WSF - 125 BBI - 1.08 OAL 3.8 - 873 fps avg - 121pf4.0 - 1043 fps avg - 130pf4.2 - 1057 fps avg - 132pfSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikieM Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share Posted April 22, 2017 23 minutes ago, bandw1dth said: Here are a few with 125 grain coated bullets out of a Tanfo Stock 2 (4.75" poly barrel) All Chrono'd on Caldwell Ballistic - 10' from sensor - 100' elevation - 80* WSF - 125 BBI - 1.08 OAL 3.8 - 873 fps avg - 121pf 4.0 - 1043 fps avg - 130pf 4.2 - 1057 fps avg - 132pf Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk How about accuracy, and recoil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandw1dth Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Recoil wasn't bad at all, not bunny fart soft but very manageable. IIRC accuracy was around 3" at 25 yardsSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpssrh Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 (edited) I have loaded and shot tens of thousands of the Precision Delta 124gr JHP. Due to the shape of the bullet (i.e., truncated cone and ogive), this particular bullet usually has to be loaded at a much shorter COL. This bullet usually contacts the lands and grooves in the barrel at a much shorter COL than the one you are proposing. In an effort to be helpful, may I suggest a couple of things that you may wish to do? 1) Make up 2 or 3 "dummy" cartridges using the COL you have asked about to see if they will "plunk and spin freely" in your chamber. 2) Consult the Lyman, Speer, Hornady, and Lee reloading manuals for information and guidance regarding WSF load data and COL when using 124gr JHP bullets. Best wishes. Edited April 22, 2017 by mpssrh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikieM Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share Posted April 22, 2017 1 hour ago, mpssrh said: I have loaded and shot tens of thousands of the Precision Delta 124gr JHP. Due to the shape of the bullet (i.e., truncated cone and ogive), this particular bullet usually has to be loaded at a much shorter COL. This bullet usually contacts the lands and grooves in the barrel at a much shorter COL than the one you are proposing. In an effort to be helpful, may I suggest a couple of things that you may wish to do? 1) Make up 2 or 3 "dummy" cartridges using the COL you have asked about to see if they will "plunk and spin freely" in your chamber. 2) Consult the Lyman, Speer, Hornady, and Lee reloading manuals for information and guidance regarding WSF load data and COL when using 124gr JHP bullets. Best wishes. Thanks for the info. Reloading data from Winchester recommends a length of 1.150 with the 124 grain RN. My gun will eat everything all the way out to 1.170, or so. What I would like are some comments on accuracy. and recoil. I've been using Titegroup, but accuracy is only so-so. Recoil is tolerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpssrh Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 The 124gr ROUND NOSE bullets will indeed chamber at a much longer COL. However, the 124gr JACKETED HOLLOW POINT bullets have such a different profile that they will not plunk and spin at longer COL. The reload data for COL with round nose bullets does not generalize to jacketed hollow point bullets. Look at the 2nd post in this thread (from bandw1dth) and you will see that the COL he reported is 1.08". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncman Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 I use WSF in my PCC and accuracy is great. Not shot it much out of my psitol as I have a Universal load with 125 Blue bullets that is awesome. The WSF load for my PCC is one of the milder recoiling loads. That is the main reason I use it in my Scorpion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superdude Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 As others have noted, the OAL will vary with bullet nose profile and the EXACT chamber and throat dimensions of YOUR barrel. If this does not make sense to you, see the link below and look at figures 12 and 13. http://38super.net/Pages/Bullet Design and Feeding Reliability.html The PD 124 JHP has been very accurate in my 9mm Kart barrel - based on Ransom Rest results, though I have only tested a couple of loads with that bullet. How it will shoot in your gun is unknown until you try it. The rule of thumb for recoil is that gunpowders that require more weight to push the same bullet to the same speed will produce more recoil. That is explained here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recoil#Including_the_ejected_gas and here: http://38super.net/Pages/Recoil.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikieM Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, mpssrh said: I have loaded and shot tens of thousands of the Precision Delta 124gr JHP. Due to the shape of the bullet (i.e., truncated cone and ogive), this particular bullet usually has to be loaded at a much shorter COL. This bullet usually contacts the lands and grooves in the barrel at a much shorter COL than the one you are proposing. In an effort to be helpful, may I suggest a couple of things that you may wish to do? 1) Make up 2 or 3 "dummy" cartridges using the COL you have asked about to see if they will "plunk and spin freely" in your chamber. 2) Consult the Lyman, Speer, Hornady, and Lee reloading manuals for information and guidance regarding WSF load data and COL when using 124gr JHP bullets. Best wishes. I plunked, and rotated one with no problems. My test ammo data comes from Winchester, albeit adjusted toward the desired power factor of 130. Edited April 23, 2017 by MikieM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdinga Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I shoot 124 PD with 5.0 grains of WSF at 1.10 using cci primers. Very accurate and mild recoil in half dozen different guns. As I increased the powder charge towards 5.0 groups became smaller and the load burned cleaner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikieM Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 I appreciate all the insight. Thanks, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackhand Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 WSF is my primary powder for 9mm pistols. Accuracy is very good and the recoil impulse is more of a push than a snap. It's a slower burning powder compared to TiteGroup. I like WSF more than N320, though that might be considered heresy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hceuterpe Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Yeah. Definitely double check your OAL with your barrels so they will work properly. 1.150 is pretty long for that bullet (which I also use)Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikieM Posted April 27, 2017 Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 10 hours ago, hceuterpe said: Yeah. Definitely double check your OAL with your barrels so they will work properly. 1.150 is pretty long for that bullet (which I also use) Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk I have my bullet seater set to: 1.111 OAL for the 124 grain PD JHP. This is over a charge of 4.0 grains of WSF. Accuracy is very good, and recoil is mild. I just bought 8 pounds of powder so I'm good to go for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLeeCZ Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 (edited) 4.8gr WSF under 124 PD JHP 1.09" OAL 15rds shot over Pro Digital Chrono 1041 fps avg velocity ES 32 SD 8.2 CZ P07 Personally prefer WSF with 147gr and 231/HP-38 for 124/125 gr Edited April 27, 2017 by JLeeCZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinj308 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 4.6 WSF/125gr JHP has been outstanding for me in two guns. Glock, and a S&W 929. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbu Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Wsf and wst both lose speed when hot. "Reverse" sensitivity. So be sure to chrono after letting the rounds heat in the sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igolfat8 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 On April 23, 2017 at 9:21 PM, blackhand said: WSF is my primary powder for 9mm pistols. Accuracy is very good and the recoil impulse is more of a push than a snap. It's a slower burning powder compared to TiteGroup. I like WSF more than N320, though that might be considered heresy. What he said! My load is 4.2 @1.060" with a 120 grain cast Lee coated lead bullet. Been shooting this load for three seasons. Extremely accurate, soft and flat shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikieM Posted April 30, 2017 Author Share Posted April 30, 2017 7 hours ago, igolfat8 said: What he said! My load is 4.2 @1.060" with a 120 grain cast Lee coated lead bullet. Been shooting this load for three seasons. Extremely accurate, soft and flat shooting. Do you. by chance, know the PF, or velocity, of your load? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitty79 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Shooting several WSF 9mm minor loads across the chrono yesterday, the ES was higher than I see with faster powders. It was running 50 to 70. Normally, I'm down around 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 22 hours ago, Smitty79 said: Shooting several WSF 9mm minor loads across the chrono yesterday, the ES was higher than I see with faster powders. It was running 50 to 70. Normally, I'm down around 30. What was the standard deviation on them? (Assuming you have a sample size of 10 or more, so the data has some kind of significance) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLeeCZ Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 On 4/30/2017 at 10:27 AM, Smitty79 said: Shooting several WSF 9mm minor loads across the chrono yesterday, the ES was higher than I see with faster powders. It was running 50 to 70. Normally, I'm down around 30. Interesting. Out of the many WSF 9mm loads I've tested, ES never higher than 30s and SD always <10 with a minimum 15 rounds per test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitty79 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I chrono'd 4 different minor PF loads. 3 with WSF and 1 with IMR 7625. All were loaded on the same machine. SD on the 7625 was 8. SDs on the WSF were 14, 16 and 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFlynn Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I load the following; and get roughly 925-945 ft/s. Seems to work well for me and very soft shooting. Berry's 147gr 4.2gr WSF 1.135OAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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