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Titegroup vs N320 for 45ACP w/ 230gr HiTek coated


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Normally I use Bullseye, but I'm just about out and have about 3lbs of TG left with no real plans for it. I searched through the archives and have found several posts where people use it, but find it awfully dirty. I used to use TG on 9mm 124gr FMJ loads, and found the cases to be very sooty at less than max loads. I was going to try around 4.4gr, which is mid-range according to Hodgdon data (they call for 4.0-4.8 on a 230gr lead RN) for these 230gr SNS (no lube groove) coated bullets I just picked up. Going to be run through a stock Sig MAX1911, need to make Major.

 

Alternatively, I do have a bunch of N320 that I use in 9mm and 40SW. Seems like most people prefer N310 for 45 when it comes to VV powders.

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Normally I use Bullseye, but I'm just about out and have about 3lbs of TG left with no real plans for it. I searched through the archives and have found several posts where people use it, but find it awfully dirty. I used to use TG on 9mm 124gr FMJ loads, and found the cases to be very sooty at less than max loads. I was going to try around 4.4gr, which is mid-range according to Hodgdon data (they call for 4.0-4.8 on a 230gr lead RN) for these 230gr SNS (no lube groove) coated bullets I just picked up. Going to be run through a stock Sig MAX1911, need to make Major.
 
Alternatively, I do have a bunch of N320 that I use in 9mm and 40SW. Seems like most people prefer N310 for 45 when it comes to VV powders.

I use 4 grns of TG with 230 rn bayou at 1240 oal. Great accuracy and little soot at 131 pf from 5 inch STI. Does get dirty at under 4 grns.

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Looks like 4.6gr of TG loaded to 1.251" will be a similar load to my RMR Thundercast 230 lead Bullseye load (4.7gr at 1.225") in terms of velocity and recoil, according to Quickload. I'll try and load some up this week to test next weekend.

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I just tired 4.2 grs of TG with 230 grn Blue Bullets, and I have to say I really liked it, and am about to load up a couple hundred more. Normally I use Clays, but this load is working quite well.

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I used to use TG with a 185 gr. plated bullet for practice and plinking but found that at 5.5 grs cases were really sooty and switched to TiteWAD for 200 gr. and under bullets and Ramshot Competition for 230 gr. bullets . That said I'm now loading Nitro 100 NF and am really liking it . Soft recoil relatively clean and meters much better than e3, Clay Dot and Clays in my Dillon powder measure.

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On 4/27/2017 at 8:49 AM, SNSCaster2 said:

4.0gr of N310 with a 230gr Non-Grooved coated bullet is my go to.  Soft and clean with little to no smoke. 

SNS I presume, based on your handle, haha

 

What are you loading them to? Absolute max length for my barrel with those is 1.255" to plunk and spin.

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On 4/25/2017 at 1:51 PM, mont1120 said:

I just tired 4.2 grs of TG with 230 grn Blue Bullets, and I have to say I really liked it, and am about to load up a couple hundred more. Normally I use Clays, but this load is working quite well.

I also just settled on  4.2 TG with the blue's 230 bullet for 3gun. Much better than the 4.6 I used last year

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Finally got around to chronoing the TG loads yesterday, For interested parties:

 

  4.2 4.4 4.6
  801.8 803.6 823.4
  808.5 811.4 840
  810.5 792.1 838.7
  795.6 820.3 823.2
  808.6 794.7 816.8
  810.4 800.1 820.3
  806.5 805.1 836.6
  801.7 806.1 836.9
  831.6 787.8 839.1
  796.1   831.5
  804.9   835.5
  807.2   828
  793.9   850
  820.9    
  813.6    
       
       
AVG 807.45 802.36 832.31
SD 9.81 10.05 9.47
ES 37.70 32.50 33.20
PF 185.71 184.54 191.43

 

 

Wish I had a better explanation for you as to why the 4.2 load was hotter than the 4.4

 

One thing I will say, is that the brass looks odd after firing. I'll try and get a picture up. When using TG in 9mm, I found the cases to be very sooty on lighter loads. With all three of these 45ACP loads, I'm finding that the brass takes on a silvery coloring in one location -- almost looks like the area of the brass that rides along the feed ramp?

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I too had some TG sitting around and decided to use some of it up for practice rounds in my STI Eagle with 230 grain Blue Bullet's and MT Gold's. Actually I was pleasantly surprised with the results. Between 3.6 with the Blues, and 3.8 with the MG's and it works pretty darn good for 3 gun rounds. I need to chrono any rounds for major PF, which will be around 4.1 to 4.2. The recoil impulse seems to be excellent, and accuracy was very good. I did not have any soot issues, and no silver spots at all.

 

Having purchased a pound of the VV N320 to try out, I found it does not work very well for .45 major loads. The weight charges listed by VV got me no where near major, so I moved on. No sense buying expensive powder when others at less cost are far more reliable.

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Hello: Tite Group works ok for 45acp but is better in 9mm and 40 S&W. Clays is the 45acp powder. Clean burning and soft shooting. Clay Dot works just the same. I have been using up some Red Dot and it is pretty good also. Any of the fast shotgun powders should be good. Thanks, Eric

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On 6/12/2017 at 9:06 AM, thormx538 said:

Wish I had a better explanation for you as to why the 4.2 load was hotter than the 4.4

 

There is no significant difference between the two. When the charge goes up and the velocity doesn't, that might be of some concern - you are then in the area of max pressure. But your 4.6 bumped up the velocity so it probably is not important. Maybe your chrono was having a bad day.

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