TeedOff Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 My still relatively new DVC open has progressively gotten worse about failing to go into battery. A few hundred round ago it would happen once or twice in a stage. Now it's every single shot. Bolt action open gun was not what I was going for. I'm not seeing anything obvious like a pile of metal shavings or something like that. I've cleaned and lubed it, and even in that condition, no mag in, when I rack the slide it hangs up just out of battery. In both cases, either in dry fire or live fire, a little bump takes it into battery. Anyone seen this, have a hint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 (edited) Are you lubing the slide stop, the barrel lugs top and bottom, and in the barrel link? Edited April 1, 2017 by al503 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeedOff Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 Yes...very wet. One place it seems to hang up is on the disconnector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cecil Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 send it back to STI.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 It could be a defective or worn out recoil spring. I take it you're using the factory recoil spring? How many rounds with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodyAxon Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 I had this exact issue with a custom limited gun. It had to be sent back for an extractor tension issue. No problems since the extractor was tuned up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottieShootz Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 So I had this happen just recently as I played around with tuning my trigger pre/post travel. Mine was a disconnector problem. My trigger travel was extending to far and applying excessive pressure against my disconnector. When I held the trigger to the rear, racking the slide was a challenge. It would actually hang up in live fire as well until I adjusted the trigger properly to not press so far against the disconnector. Not it saying this is your problem, but something to double check on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kdenny Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 I had a similar problem recently with my DVC open. The fix was a new ejector (Brazos tuned ejector). Solved all my problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeedOff Posted April 2, 2017 Author Share Posted April 2, 2017 17 hours ago, cecil said: send it back to STI.. Yep...that's my plan. Calling them tomorrow morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeedOff Posted April 2, 2017 Author Share Posted April 2, 2017 16 hours ago, al503 said: It could be a defective or worn out recoil spring. I take it you're using the factory recoil spring? How many rounds with it? I have maybe 700 to 750 rounds on the gun. Still have the factory recoil spring. While I have plenty of other recoil springs I could put in (also shoot single stack in 9mm) it doesn't seem like a recoil spring should last only 750 rounds max. Or maybe that's just how it is with Open. This problem has developed over the last 200 rounds, so need a new recoil spring every other match (plus practice in between) seems way excessive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeedOff Posted April 2, 2017 Author Share Posted April 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Kdenny said: I had a similar problem recently with my DVC open. The fix was a new ejector (Brazos tuned ejector). Solved all my problems. I've got an Aftec sitting here that I've been meaning to put in...maybe I'll try that before sending it to STI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeedOff Posted April 2, 2017 Author Share Posted April 2, 2017 14 hours ago, ScottieShootz said: So I had this happen just recently as I played around with tuning my trigger pre/post travel. Mine was a disconnector problem. My trigger travel was extending to far and applying excessive pressure against my disconnector. When I held the trigger to the rear, racking the slide was a challenge. It would actually hang up in live fire as well until I adjusted the trigger properly to not press so far against the disconnector. Not it saying this is your problem, but something to double check on. Thanks for the thought...I've not messed with the trigger so I'm thinking this isn't it. Come to think of it, I was having a lot of extraction problems so I did tweak the extractor a bit to add some tension. Maybe too much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer-x Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 I've seen this caused by an extractor with sharp edges where the rim slides by going into battery. Need to radius the edges just a little so they slide by smoothly and don't get hung up on nicks in the brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer-x Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Great tip on Brazos site: http://www.brazoscustom.com/magart/ejection perfection.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeedOff Posted April 2, 2017 Author Share Posted April 2, 2017 2 hours ago, racer-x said: I've seen this caused by an extractor with sharp edges where the rim slides by going into battery. Need to radius the edges just a little so they slide by smoothly and don't get hung up on nicks in the brass. So this hang up happens with no mag and rounds in the gun (dry firing) and when live firing. I guess I don't see how the ejector could be causing this. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfinney Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Check to see if the ejector is fully seated an pinned. It can ride up and bind the slide... or if bent ride the slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 6 hours ago, TeedOff said: I have maybe 700 to 750 rounds on the gun. Still have the factory recoil spring. While I have plenty of other recoil springs I could put in (also shoot single stack in 9mm) it doesn't seem like a recoil spring should last only 750 rounds max. Or maybe that's just how it is with Open. This problem has developed over the last 200 rounds, so need a new recoil spring every other match (plus practice in between) seems way excessive. I agree but there are lots of different aspects to consider with recoil springs. What weight is the spring you have in the pistol now? Some go very light 7 or 8 lbs, and you're probably going to have to replace it very frequently. You can go a lot longer with heavier springs as even as they wear down, they're still strong enough to push the slide back into battery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cecil Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 my DVC is about 1-1/2 years old.... have 25,000+ rounds thru the pipe.. still have all factory springs in my DVC .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeedOff Posted April 3, 2017 Author Share Posted April 3, 2017 13 hours ago, al503 said: I agree but there are lots of different aspects to consider with recoil springs. What weight is the spring you have in the pistol now? Some go very light 7 or 8 lbs, and you're probably going to have to replace it very frequently. You can go a lot longer with heavier springs as even as they wear down, they're still strong enough to push the slide back into battery. It still has the stock recoil spring, which according to the STI website is 8 lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeedOff Posted April 3, 2017 Author Share Posted April 3, 2017 14 hours ago, sfinney said: Check to see if the ejector is fully seated an pinned. It can ride up and bind the slide... or if bent ride the slide. I will have to check this tonight. In fact I think I will remove the ejector and extractor and see if the slide reciprocates without any snags in that state. I'll remove one at a time to see which, if either, is the cause of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 STI had a bad batch of ejectors that bent. Mine was so bad when it happened during a match that I had to pound the slide closed with a piece of wood and a hammer. After getting it apart we saw the problem. Replaced it with a tuned Brazos ejector as I didn't want to send it in for warranty. Eventually my DVC open went back to STI for some other warranty work and I listed several problems I had including this and all were replaced and tuned before it came back to me. Excellent customer service. gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeedOff Posted April 3, 2017 Author Share Posted April 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, gerritm said: STI had a bad batch of ejectors that bent. Mine was so bad when it happened during a match that I had to pound the slide closed with a piece of wood and a hammer. After getting it apart we saw the problem. Replaced it with a tuned Brazos ejector as I didn't want to send it in for warranty. Eventually my DVC open went back to STI for some other warranty work and I listed several problems I had including this and all were replaced and tuned before it came back to me. Excellent customer service. gerritm Can you share which Brazos ejector you used? I'm assuming the pro series performance tuned ejector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Yes, that is the one. Make sure you check out the installation procedure. Have to drill a hole thru the ejector using a reverse type drill bit. Worked well, but depending on your gun you may need to do some minor tuning. Not sure if that comes with the drill & roll pin. Originally I got an un-tuned ejector, drill, and roll pin from Dawson and did the tuning myself. https://dawsonprecision.com/ejector-pin-drill-bits/ gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottieShootz Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I use a C clamp to hold the ejector in to the frame for drilling. Helps if you do or don't have a reverse drill bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeedOff Posted April 3, 2017 Author Share Posted April 3, 2017 9 hours ago, gerritm said: Yes, that is the one. Make sure you check out the installation procedure. Have to drill a hole thru the ejector using a reverse type drill bit. Worked well, but depending on your gun you may need to do some minor tuning. Not sure if that comes with the drill & roll pin. Originally I got an un-tuned ejector, drill, and roll pin from Dawson and did the tuning myself. https://dawsonprecision.com/ejector-pin-drill-bits/ gerritm Thanks...I've taken a close look at the ejector on my DVC Open and compared its fit against my 2011's and single stacks...there is no doubt to me that the ejector on the DVC is rubbing against the slide. None of my other guns show any evidence of that rubbing. I had see that about 2mm on the muzzle end of the ejector are showing slight wear from the rubbing. My next step is to send it to STI and have then diagnose and fix it. Thanks to all for getting me pointed to what appears to be the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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